The Official PC building thread - 4th Edition

So in other words, if it's fact, and we disagree, then you're saying we are wrong?
This has always been a situational affair, it really does depend on the usage. I stated the conditionals earlier, also as fact. Someone who prefers to do something incorrectly still has their own opinion, it is just to make life harder for themselves because they prefer to do it. The human mind is not a wholly rational thing sometimes.

 

LOL I think I have the same rip of Galactica Creaky. Excellent show BTW, one of my favorites in a long time. Commander/Admiral Adama is a stone-cold operator with no time for your BS

Optical media is basically the slowest, most awkward, most inconvenient way possible of storing your data, period. Sure, it's reliable, but so is writing all the 1s and 0s out on paper. That doesn't make it better. Also, to store my data, even on 50GB BDs, Would take 60 discs you can only write once, can't edit, read super slowly, etc etc. Making movie backups is one thing but what about all my other data that you can't just pop into the nearest disk player and watch? I stopped using disks for more reasons than just the increase in capacity... Also afaik re-writable disks have a questionable lifespan if you intend to actually re-write them. Not to mention it's a SLOWWWWWW process. A 2TB file transfer is bad enough at the top speed my disks can manage. I can't imagine doing that with multiple disks that take 10x the time.

I mean, I'll certainly admit they've got reliability and longevity, but disks simply are not suitable for my uses.

What a sad life you live Most of my music collection is lossless CD rips between about 1000 and 1400kbps. I mean sure I have a large chunk in 128/320 internet standard rips, but the average is say 800-900 on the middling quality stuff.

 

I have some FLACs in my collection, but honestly I can't really tell the difference in most cases between them and 320k MP3s, and FLACs are much more of a pain to play, they don't work with anywhere near as many programs, and this is infuriating. Nowadays the bulk of my music is in V0 or 320k.

I think you may be exaggerating slightly about the slowness of recorable bluray drives, but still, the sentiment is correct - for 3TB, using BD-Rs or BD-REs is an absolute farse.

 

haha

well i listen mainly to independant artists, who release msuic via digital download, and so i am stuck with what i have been given.

 

You are bending your facts and taking one situation to support you preference. The fact is that optical media is more secure if handled properly over hard drives handled properly. It is much easier to use hard drives and if done write it can be reliable so I totally understand why people choose that route and I do as well.

When it comes to choice and what you want to accept as a gamble it doesn't come down to right or wrong, you are taking it this too literally and then on the other hand using liberties to support your stance. But if you want to be wrong so be it.

Stevo

 

I think it's a safe bet, that blu-ray media is gonna be selling more, due to hard drive costs increasing.
A good blu-ray disc costs 1 - 3USD. A terabyte drive can hold ~41 discs @ 22.5Gb. Given the price of 1Tb drives, people will consider BLU backups now. On the other hand, some people will grind their teeth and pay the serious premium.
The thing about hard drives, you really should be raid 1, or redundant in one form or another. I'm sorry, but I haven't had many coasters with optical media in my life. VERY Low failure rate actually Don't get me wrong. I'm not some kind of optical fanboy. I LOVE hard drives, but I do see optical media for what it is too. Pay attention to your burner, and media, and there really shouldn't be problems.

To each his/her own.

 

I can find non-printable good quality Philips media #04 for around $0.70 USD on a 25qty spindle and hub printable for $1.00 USD. That's not too bad and the Phillips jap#04 media is very good, not premium though of course. If I want glossy water shield media then the price jumps to around $3.00 USD.

 

I wouldn't call philips good media! I use it, and only had 1 bad due to burner. But scans reveal very bad burn quality(Not the burner). Longevity is very questionable for that media. As is typical with there media. I've tried their dvds in the past. Bad. Verbatim and Taiyo Yuden prove to be very good. I don't care too much about print quality. The burn quality is the most important.
The only good thing I see with the philips BD's is their compatibility is better than ritek. Only thing going for them. If you have good luck with them, more power to you

 

The Velociraptor is definitely dying. Raw Read Error rate is very bad. And a long format "Did not complete Successfully". Opening a ticket with WD today. Yet another...(that makes two). I just hope a second RMA isn't frowned upon :S

 

Verbatim can be Phillips media as well as JVC, Memorex, Maxell, and so on..... What I'm speaking to is Media ID and the Phillips I'm speaking of is exactly the same results as the TY I use in the same price bracket. As a matter of fact some Verbatim in DVD+R's are horrible while other Verbatim's are very good. You should know this Kev as you post on Slysoft all the time. And it is thought that the Japanese produced media is better than other regions for manufacturing too, I've found this to bear true as well.

 

I've never seen a Verbatim with philips dye? Only CMC magnetics dyes. I realize it could be just about anything though. When I speak highly of Verbatim, I'm referring to their MCC 003/004 dyes. And taiyo yuden well, i've never seen them use other companies dyes. That would be just plain dumb.
PhilipR04 media is dire... VERY bad scans compared to "VERBAT-IMw", and Taiyo Yudens. I may be bashed for siting scans, as being notable. Believe what you will. But scans do tell a story. I doubt very much that the programmers made their software "for fun" LOL!

 

You just don't get it, too bad or O'well. Don't shake too hard you might lose something of value...

Kev,

I do, like you, prefer TY but they are not the only good disc mfg out there. I can take my TY's and the dropouts will be roughly the same and they hold up over time the same so I don't know what to tell you. Just like ping rates people can get overly carried away by some of these stats, as long as you don't exceed or approach the acceptable rate derived by the standard you'll never notice the difference while watching the movie.

A premium media will perform better stat wise and hold up better over time no doubt there. Remember I aced the color test and have a very good ear so I know quality when I see it unlike some who scored 12 or higher. LOL

 

Double post sorry....

 

Use what works for you man. I won't touch philips dvds with a ten foot pole. They blew it. And their BD's will likely be replaced shortly. I have a feeling that they won't last much longer than a year

 

Mine are lasting over two years now and work just as well as the first day I burned them, again what can I say... But if you have had a bad experience with them I fully understand and support not using them, they work great for me. I've had more problems with real Ridata media then the Phillip's.

 

Indeed. Ritek is really bad. I've had better scans with them, but the player prefers the worse scanning Philips to the bad scanning Ritek discs. The dyes are substantially different enough, to muck up the blu player. Though the riteks seem fine in BD-Rom drives. Glad to here they're lasting. Perhaps they'll outlive my expectations

 

My measures are as follows;

1) Do they burn without making coasters?
2) Do they play in all sorts of players?
3) Do the have problems with skipping and/or freezing?
3) Do they hold up over time and not degrade severely?
4) And since I typically use inkjet printable do they have a decent print surface that doesn't wash out and fade.

You're totally right though the media is not premium and there is much better media out there. I'm actually using them as a temporary storage and will replace them in a year or so. I would never suggest these be used for long term backup.

The Riteks I had wouldn't play well in all S/A ROM's plus they would CRC towards the end of burning. Now that could be due to a bad run at the plant or poor packaging and mishandling before they got to me.

 

It's happened several times before, when large amounts of mechanical storage get brought up, occasionally MrMovies will pop up asserting that it's 'fact' that optical media is better in all cases. There's no real point arguing with it, because all logic and sense goes out the window to protect this 'fact'.

As for the media brands, Verbatim may make decent DVDs, but stay well away from their CD-Rs, about 60% of all the Verbatim CD-Rs I've bought over the last 5 years in various types have all been coasters, whereas the no-name basic brand discs work absolutely fine. You can tell if you have a bad batch as you can see straight through the green recording material right through to the other side.

 

What do you use to play the video you have on your HDD? I use Western Digital Live Plus, and I love it. I currently have two 2TB HDD's now going on a to a third.