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Discussion in 'PC hardware help' started by souldoubt, May 11, 2004.

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  1. marsey99

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    any boby know which hsf is best on a socket 754 board? possibly with a big fan and low rpm
     
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    From what I've seen, it is easiest to use XP and the programs that comes with your hardware instead of letting MCE do it for you.
    EXAMPLE:Watch TV you need a TV tuner card. Tv tuner comes with its own programs but MCE wont accept them because it already has recorder tools. So you are without all the software to go with hardware and need to search for specialized utilities to go with MCE. The computer would stall sometimes when I have too many audio/video files open at once but after about the 3rd install I was able to do everything in order the right way through trial and error.
     
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    14 fans? Why? I have barely more than half that in my system!
     
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    iv got 5 and two are on heatsinks
     
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    Hi, I'm looking to get more storage space for my laptop and came up with two options. Would you recomend buying an exteranl HDD(such as the WD My Book 250 GB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136022) or buying an external enclosure (Kingwin TL-35USBS - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817121184) with an internal drive (WD Caviar 320 GB- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136003)? The difference between the two is about $20 and 70 GB.

    Thanks for you advice.
     
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    @sammorris - 'twas simply because the case allowed you to - http://arstechnica.com/reviews/1298/sc750a.html

    - it was just because i had loads of spare fans. the thing was noisy enough that it didn't hurt to add more fans; (to be fair it came with quite a few fans as standard anyway); daft really but that was some years ago ie before i had kids and had way too much free time :p

    found another nice review here - http://www.bluesmoke.net/review3.html


    @eparker89 - our firm has just bought one or two if the 'book' things but as i don't work with Windows much (at work) i don't know how it's getting on but my firm skimp on as much as they can so they're probably going to use it for something it wasn't designed for as per usual so any feedback i could give on it would be biased i'm afraid. I personally just use/recommend USB2.0 enclosures with hard disk of your choice. At the moment i use a cheap Safecom USB2.0 enclosure on my laptop with a 120GB hard disk. It's partitioned with FAT32 in 3x 30GB chunks and a 4th FAT32 chunk of the remainder. This is because it's primarily used on my Linux laptop as an MP3/miscellaneous set of drives that i can easily (and lazily) just unmount from Linux and mount on another PC (Windows) and back again without any issues
     
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  7. sammorris

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    Interesting way of doing it. All my external drives are just one large partition, 147GB FAT32 on J, and 232GB NTFS for both M and N.
     
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    multiple partitions gives me flexibility/clarity from the command line in Linux and Unix (as the command line is where i spend most time, either at work or at home); i end up with 4 different mountpoints and they have the "Windows" names also, i see for example /mnt/MP3_1 as one 'disk', /mnt/MUSIC_VIDS as another, and so on; so (in Linux) as opposed to having one huge disk that obviously has various directories, i see the 4 partitions as 4 distinct drives with their own directories. Makes it easier on my brain to segment things this way, and from a work perspective, we (in theory) are more protected by having multiple partitions.

    ie the df -h command gives this (this is my linux box at work so no enclosure mounted unfortunately) -
    - basically that's a 40GB hard drive carved up into 4 partitions and a swap partition. Day to day i just see them as /home, /usr etc etc.


    edit- here's how my laptop looks in Linux (20GB), with windows partition (ie C:\ drive, 40GB) accessible, also my USB2.0 enclosure is mounted, see the last 4 mounts -

    output from 'df -h' -
    Anyways i don't mean to waffle on about Linux too much, stuff like this may help someone else along the way is all :)
     
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    I saw all that in Linux, but couldn't get access to the Windows partition of my hard disk. I didn't use it for very long, apparently I didn't pick a very up to date or easy to use version.
     
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    well if you use Linux again you'd just see "C:\" for instance as /mnt/windows in Linux, ie Program Files would be accessed via '/mnt/windows/Program Files'


    as to marsey99's question re heatsink for a socket 754, i honestly can't remember what make my heatsink/fan is; i (stupidly at the time) bought an OEM cpu ie without the stock heatsink fan, and ended up with one that wasn't as good as the stock fan (couldn't use anything clever like a Zalmann or whatever, the pc's case is tiny so no clearance for anything fancy). I get decent enough airflow/cooling in the case with my cheapy heatsink/fan, it's only a problem encoding movies in the height of summer, when the temperature gets a tad high in the case
     
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    creaky,you lost me right at the point you said "multiple"!!!ROFL........
     
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  12. sammorris

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    LOL actually having seen Linux I do know roughly what he's on about, but despite the unfamiliar directory name or whatever, there was no presence of my windows partition, I looked long and hard for it.
     
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    i want to make abest custom built pc with all the new models of mobo , cpu and other stuff. can u tell me all those so i can build my pc
     
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  14. sammorris

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    Absolutely everything cutting edge?
    Core 2 Duo E6600 or higher
    Asus P5WDH Deluxe
    2x1GB Corsair XMS2 series RAM
    ATi Radeon X1950XT-X Graphics
    Western Digital Raptor & Western Digital Caviar SE16 Hard disks
    Hiper Type-R 730W PSU
     
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    got the akasa evo 33 for £20 it is supposed to go 18c under stock but i dont know if thats with 1 or 2 fans mounted but they are only £3ish if i want to get another.

    [bold]marseys dumb ass question of the day[/bold]

    ive just bought a new psu with a 120mm fan,(jeantech jn120f-450-ap) because it ticked all the boxes for my needs,(and cost £20) now which side will it go top or bottom? the stickers are orientated so it would be the bottom, the image in the manual it looks like it is the top but it doesnt say. any one any ideas or should i take the suck it and see route?
     
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    Rubbish, no standard cooler can manage lower than room temperature without some seriously meaty additional cooling system, looking to Water cooling (even that's unlikely), or more likely Vapour compression or N2(l). Think about the PSU logically, marsey99, if the fan is at the top, how is the air going to get out? Assuming you don't have a hole for the fan to go, common sense would dictate the fan being on the bottom, unless you use a case in which the PSU sits at the bottom.
     
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    thanks for getting back so quick sam, mines at the top but thats what i mean some go in the top some the bottom some sideways, i will just stick it in soon and see which way it blows but if it is the top i will need to get the jigsaw out and cut a hole.

    http://www.custompc.co.uk/custompc/reviews/86400/evesham-quest-a630.html

    its a typo should of said 17c

    just checked the link and its broke, from that page click on labs, on the left, then its the 7th test down the list (athlon 64 hsf)
     
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    so all these are the best specification for a pc and how much will it cost all together and are they cheapest in neweegg and what about case which one is bestthanks
     
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    That's 17C below the normal HSF, not a temperature of 17C. There's a difference! That spec is all that's needed for a top end PC. If you want to go absolutely mega high end with money no object, you may want to look at an X6800 and a GeForce 7950GX2, but beware you're spending about an extra $900 for very little extra benefit.
    All those components will be either cheapest or near cheapest at newegg, plus they're a reliable seller. As for case, I love the NZXT Lexa, but other users may make other recommendations, see my posts in the "Where are you sat?" Thread in the safety valve to get some idea...
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/20/208116

    marsey99, you can put a PSU either way round, just make sure you put it the way round that the fan is on the bottom, you don't NEED to cut a hole in the top, just put the PSU the other way round.
     
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    so that pc goes to like 2000 dollars. what if i buy that motherboard and processor and buy 7600gt. i cant find link for psu that u gave. the price can be around 7 or 800 . if u tell me some other things by which i can get price to 800 but i want to buy this mobo and processor
     
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