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The summary of CD-R brands - READ BEFORE ASKING!

Discussion in 'CD-R(W) Media' started by cd-rw.org, Nov 22, 2002.

  1. Platy767

    Platy767 Regular member

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    Is there variability / better / worse within TY CD-Rs and a way of identifying this?

    Here is the Nero CD Speed info on 3 different TY discs (purchased as TY).
    No 1 is a "Master grade" CDR - No branding
    No 2 is a Silver/Silver CDR - No branding
    No 3 is a Branded "That's CDR" Taiyo Yuden Made in Japan

    All have MID 97m24s01f, which is fair enough as they are all TY, but there doesn't appear to be any differentiation between "Master grade" and normal EM or branded discs. All 3 types burned fine on my laptop at 24X.

    No 1 Master grade:
    Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
    Basic Information
    Disc type: : CD-R
    Manufacturer: : Taiyo Yuden
    MID : 97m24s01f
    Write speeds: : 10 X - 16 X - 24 X
    Capacity: : 79:59.72
    : 703 MB
    Extended Information
    Usage : General
    Disc Status : Empty
    Raw Data
    ATIP
    0000 - C0 00 98 00 61 18 01 00 4F 3B 48 00 00 00 00 00 -

    ....a...O;H.....
    0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00


    No 2 Silver/silver:
    Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
    Basic Information
    Disc type: : CD-R
    Manufacturer: : Taiyo Yuden
    MID : 97m24s01f
    Write speeds: : 10 X - 16 X - 24 X
    Capacity: : 79:59.72
    : 703 MB
    Extended Information
    Usage : General
    Disc Status : Closed
    Raw Data
    ATIP
    0000 - C0 00 98 00 61 18 01 00 4F 3B 48 00 00 00 00 00 -

    ....a...O;H.....
    0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 -

    ........
    - ........

    No 3 Branded "That's CDR" Taiyo Yuden Made in Japan
    Nero CD-DVD Speed: Disc Info
    Basic Information
    Disc type: : CD-R
    Manufacturer: : Taiyo Yuden
    MID : 97m24s01f
    Write speeds: : 10 X - 16 X - 24 X
    Capacity: : 79:59.72
    : 703 MB
    Extended Information
    Usage : General
    Disc Status : Closed
    Raw Data
    ATIP
    0000 - C0 00 98 00 61 18 01 00 4F 3B 48 00 00 00 00 00 -

    ....a...O;H.....
    0010 - 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 -

    ........
     
  2. bratcher

    bratcher Active member

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    Wow. Wish there was still a Kmart in my area. Thats cheaper than online prices for TY media!

    My 716-A likes them fairly well.

    Victor[/quote]
     
  3. bratcher

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    I wish the first message could be updated!!

    Got an Imation CDR in the mail today made by Acer Media Technology whoever they are. Never heard of them as a CD manufacturer.
     
  4. bratcher

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    Nero CD-DVD Speed 4.7 identifies the same CDR as Daxon. Strange......
     
  5. bratcher

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    Here are 2 Maxell CDR's.

    First one is a burned gold top color Maxell CDR Music thet turns out to be TY.

    Indicative Target Writing Power: 4mW
    Unrestricted Use Disc: yes
    Disc type: 0 (CD-R / DDCD-R )
    Disc sub type: 3 (Normal ReWritable (CLV) Media)
    Start Time of Lead-in: M: 97 S: 24 F: 1
    Manufacturer: Taiyo Yuden Company Limited
    Dye type: Long strategy - e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.
    Last Possible Start Time of Lead-out: M: 79 S: 59 F: 73
    Capacity: 702 MB (736,968,704 bytes) / 79:59.54 / LBA: 359,848

    2nd is a unburned (not recorded yet) disc from a Maxell color pack with 5 different designs.

    Indicative Target Writing Power: 4mW
    Unrestricted Use Disc: no
    Disc type: 0 (CD-R / DDCD-R )
    Disc sub type: 2 (Normal ReWritable (CLV) Media)
    Start Time of Lead-in: M: 97 S: 15 F: 17
    Manufacturer: RiTEK Corporation / Philips / Maxell / Lacie / Tevion
    Dye type: Short strategy - e.g. Phthalocyanine
    Last Possible Start Time of Lead-out: M: 79 S: 59 F: 70
    Capacity: 702 MB (736,962,560 bytes) / 79:59.52 / LBA: 359,845

    So Maxell is using TY & Ritek lately....

     
  6. JoeRyan

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    Maxell is halting production of DVDs and CD-Rs in Japan and switching to purchasing from Ritek. They will continue with blue laser madia and holographic discs, but the standard optical discs will be made by Ritek in Taiwan.
     
  7. bratcher

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    I had no problems with those Memorex (Prodisc) Cool Colors CDR's. They all worked great!!

    In my experience Ritek CDR's work well as does Tayio Yuden manufactured CDR's. You said that Maxell was Prodisc? The ones I found recently were Ritek.

    If you find any Made In Japan Fugifilm CDR's thats TY media.

    The only minor problem I've found with TY silver /matte inkjet CDR's & the TY Fugifilm CDR's is that fingerprints show up when you touch the label side of the disc. Must be a thin coating or something. Other than that the discs are great. Ritek silver/matte (thankfully) doesn't have this problem.
     
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    Update on the Maxell Ritek & the Ativa CMC CDR's.

    I've never had a problem with Ridata brand Ritek CDR's however a 30 pack of Maxell multi color CDR's my dad gave me in exchange for some silver matte TY's (because some of the Maxell discs have such little usable writing area) turned out to be either a bad batch or poorer quality Ritek than the Ridata I've used before. I can't burn it any faster than 16x without crackling & pausing problems when burned as an audio disc. 16x seems to be the max speed (at least for me) on these 52x speed discs. 28 discs left & I'll burn them at 8x.

    Ativa 52x gold top CDR's are even worse junk! 16x gives uneven results. Some discs play fine while others crackle & pause during playback however at 8x they play back perfect. 90 of those left to burn.

    When these 118 discs are done I'm going back to my silver matte TY's & staying there!! I can burn TY & some other brands (even Ridata) at 32x (48 to 52x works great too) & every one of them plays back perfectly in my home CD player, the car stereo plus a portable (with headphones) durabrand. I can see why the CMC is so bad but Ritek? No idea....
     
  9. akaangus

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    I was able to score some Made in Japan Fuji discs from Honest Ed's in Toronto for like $12 for 50, assuming that TY is the best disc. I usually have Verbatims or MIJ Maxells, but thought these would be good too. They burned fine but my Samsung Xbox with XBMC barfed on the video. It also doesn't like the MIJ Maxells which were key to burning PS2 games. Quality of disc doesn't really mean anything when it comes to playing, apparently, as a white label made in CHINA disc that someone borrowed me played fine...
     
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    . . . of course that list is over four years old and media quality is constantly changing

    Victor
     
  12. opticalc

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    thank you for the site it helps a little

    I think the real high quality disc are those who are selling their disc with a unique package,design,features etc that no other manufacturer doing that but surely with this population no one can maintain that
    so one thing to get the real media before buying is to check out the manufacturer website if there are convincing information about that product and for sure buy a copy only before letting go a big money

    what else test the cd or dvd and dont buy media that the manufacturer are imitating other products and putting their ID in the same design,package etc they dont have integrity
     
  13. JoeRyan

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    CMC Magnetics does not belong in the poor quality group for CD-R production. Testing on sophisticated equipment shows their quality to be as good as most others as long as the material is A-grade quality (sold to brands such as HP, Imation, Memorex, Philips, TDK, and Verbatim among others). No-name brands with CMC MID codes or retail brands with prices "too good to be true" are often mixed with B-grade production, which these days is chiefly process flaws (dye filters that failed or dropped debris during switchovers; production whose processors were found out of calibration; handling problems; etc.) The anti-CMC sentiment in this forum should not spill over to CD-Rs.
     
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    Some newly bought CDR packs I just tested.

    Imation: Acer
    TDK: Ricoh

    Sony CDR Music: Tayio Yuden

    We need to keep an updated list!!
     
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    I'm not saying that CMC CDR's are great quality media however the 100 pack of Ativa (CMC) is burning & playing back well in all of my CD players. The 5 year old CMC Khypermedia CDR's I tested that hold an audiobook are still playing back good too. Perfect playback....

     
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    Tested some recent sermon CD's from my church on Memorex CDR's.
    Add Ritek to the list of Memorex manufacturers.....
     
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    I have read this entire thread and I am totally confused. All I am trying to find out is a reliable CD to burn music on. I have used Sony, Memorex, Verbatim, and a few others.
    They all burn perfectly, but after a few weeks of use, they begin to skip. Can someone please tell me the BEST CD that I can purchase that will not skip after a few weeks.
    Any and all help would be MOST helpful.
    Thanks
     
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         Sony, Memorex & Verbatim all sell very reliable CD media. Personally, I like Maxell but that is a personal preference. If all of the CDs that you've been burning end up skipping I'd look elsewhere for the problem. What speed are you burning them at? I always burn my CDs as slow as my burner will allow (usually from 8x-16x) depending on which burner I'm using.
         You also need to make sure that your firmware up to date. This is crucial in producing the "perfect" burn. I have also found that my BenQ burners, while doing an awesome job with DVDs, simply don't produce results as good as my Pioneer and Litey when burning CDs . . .

    Victor
     
  19. TY4ever

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    Hi there!
    Just ordered 4 cakeboxes(200cds)
    of verbatim 52X and they are made in Japan.I assume they are Taiyo Yuden manufactured,right?How are they rated?I paid them around USD9.35/cakebox after conversion.

     
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    Where did you order them from? Verbatim CDR's here in the USA is not MIJ but rather made by CMC and they play back fine as audiodiscs, I've never used one for data. Some Fugifilm CDR's are made by TY if you can find them in the stores. I found 4 hundred packs in a Randalss grocery store once that were TY's & MIJ.

    I've been burning Imation lately (made by Daxon) & where they are gone then I'll burn some Ritek & Prodisc manufactured Maxell that I bought at Office Depot for $6.99 per 50 pack.
     

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