The Ultimate Dream Computer

dts isnt needed but for a little extra £ it is worth it.

today i can get the 805 for £65 and the 6300 is £130, that £55 could be the difference bettween the cheapest ram and some mid ranged modules.

 

This is true, but with cheap RAM an E6300 could probably still outpace a D805. You can get an E6300 to at least 2.1Ghz on cheap stuff, and the D805 maxes out at about 3.6-3.7Ghz on air cooling. At those speeds, there probably isn't much difference between the chips. A fraction more spent and the E6300 will wipe the floor with the D805.

 

you are right sam the e6300 would probsbly be better than the 805 at its highest speeds, but the e6600 is the one to have. they have double the ammount of l2 cache and its the use of that that makes the big difference. you could oc the 6400 to 6600 speeds but it would not be able to compete with it because of that.
i am not saying that they are bad cpus, far from it, but i would rather run a d805 for a few month then get the e6600

 

He could indeed, all depends how much he has to spend. An E6600 with a Gigabyte GA-965P-S3 and XMS2 low latency memory would make me very jealous indeed. LOL. Get a good cooler and PSU for that and you can see the same sort of clock speeds the D805 is capable of, but for a Core 2 Duo!!!
For reference, a 6600, GA-965P-S3 Zalman cooler with arctic silver, 1GB XMS2 memory and high quality power unit would total something like £480.

 

to be honest sam it depends how much xmas costs me. i will probably have about £300
thats why im looking to see where my cash is best splashed. the conroes dont get that big of a boost from low latency ram, well not as much as amd chips

 

That's true, but the cost difference isn't great.

 

ya i also hate that...i hav GeForce Fx 5200 128Mb graphics card...the price used to be $200+ wen i first got it...now its like $45...i'm trying to save money for a new computer which cast bout $3500...dats alot

 

I noticed, what on earth are you putting in it to make it cost that much?!

 

Intel has shown what the Conroe can do.Just be patient and wait for AMD's answer.BTW,AMD seriously need to review their FX prices.

 

Just like Intel need to review their Extreme edition prices, top end CPUs have always been overpriced and always will be.

 

be afraid conroe, be very afraid. k8l is coming, and with its quantum well mechanics 5ghz could be a realityfor any one .[bold]only speculation not based on any fact[/bold] right thats my wild prediction of the day.

@ crowy and sam

thats the premium we pay for thoase unlocked multi's. if one of them released a chip around half there price (£350) every one with the slightest bit of sense would buy them as quicker than they could make them.

i think amd are trying to squeeze as much profit as possible at the mo now it has a rather large morgage to pay.

 

4.5 Ghz x 4 cores is already a reality on the QX6700-680i combination.
A new batch is coming in the new year so having 4 x 5+ GHz is only weeks away for Intel.

As yet were all still waiting for the first of the new AMDs to arrive.

 

Ok im planning to buy a new pc
i dunnow much about the max config but i would like to have a realy fast pc and the config i have decided is
Processor-Intel Dual core 3.0Ghz
MotherBoard- Intel Orignal
1GB Ram (i dunnow about any brand names)
160 GB Hard Disk(seagate)
Nvidia GeForce 7300 GS(512 Mb)
17 Inch TFT(Acer)
Please kindly guide me
And I'll be specifically buing it for gaming purposes
And i would also like to know that will the motherboard be compatible with this configeration

 

you seem to have a good idea what you want which is good.

how much do you want to spend? thats the next thing.

now looking at your list, a 7300 isnt a good choice for gaming, you will want a 7600 or better to get good frame rates with all the eye candy on. the pentium ds aren't bad for their price but you would be better getting a core 2 duo now. as for the mobo and ram, it depends wether or not you want to overclock it. if not you will be ok going with the "value" products, if you do you will need to pay a bit more, but you do get what you pay for. you want to get sata2 (all new mobos have it) hard drives with as much cache as you can afford.

 

No one buying a gaming PC would seriously look at a P4, as they are not that good for gaming, they are better for encoding and media creation etc... due to raw speed.

If you want to get to 3.0Ghz, then you are looking at a X6800 which is 2.93Ghz unless you are willing to overclock.

Then you're best bet would be either a 6300,6400 or 6600x2 all of which will overclock to 3.0ghz+.

My 2.4 E6600 easily clocks to 3.6Ghz and is totally stable for gaming as well as all the other applications I throw at it.

As for Intel boards, then you mean it has to be an Intel boxed board, or an Intel chipset board.
There is no reason to select a board produced by Intel over a board from one of the top manufacturers that use the latest Intel chipsets.

Asus, Gigabyte, DFI, Abit all make good boards.

If you insist on the Intel brand, then the Intel Extreme D975XBX2KR BAD AXE 2 975X is the way to go, it's not that cheap, but you get what you pay for.

You need to decide if you are building a rig with the cheapest parts you can get to play games okay for now, or are you planning on spending enough to invest in the future, only you know what budget you're prepared to pay.

Otherwise a selection of boards to consider would be the Gigabyte DQ6, Asus P5WDH, P5B DELUXE (very quick, but not as good for gaming), Abit AW9D-MAX Intel 975X many others as well, but that’s a few to look at.

Memory should be as quick as you can afford and with the lowest latencies.
You can get cheap memory, but I find it has too many limitations when pushed.
Corsair is the best in the industry and seem compatible with all hardware, some RAM is problematic with certain boards/chipsets.

If using one the CPUs I suggested, then look at getting 2x512MB of DDR800 memory.
1GB will work fine for now, but may prove to be too small in the near future.
If you can afford it get this: Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-8500C5 TwinX
(2x512MB)
Or
Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-6400C4 TwinX (2x512MB)
Or
Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-6400C5 TwinX (2x512MB)

As for graphics, if you are only looking at a 7300 series card, then are limiting the system straight away.
You can't have a super fast gaming system with a 7300 GPU as it is just not man enough for the job of quality graphics with high FPS.

I am presuming you are not willing to spend more than £120 or $200 as the 7300's only cost about £80 for a good one.
256MB XFX 7600GT XXX, PCI-E (x16), Mem 1600 MHz, GPU 590 MHz only come in at £100 and will easily out perform the 7300.

Personally I don't touch Seagate anymore as I found their service support was absolutely crap.
When I proved the drives I had bough were 2 years old, and had been sold with the 5 year warranty, they still refused to accept they were warrantied.

You'l probably hear exactly the same about every other company, but WD have always been spot on.

These are nice and cheap, and if you get 2 then you can raid them and almost double the access speed.
Western Digital Caviar Special Edition 160GB 1600AAJS SATA-II 8MB Cache - OEM

 

Ok i just got config a little renewed
It's Goin to be intel Pentium D Dual core 3.4Ghz
GeForce 7600 GS(512 MB)
Corsair 1GB DDR2 XMS2-6400C4 TwinX (2x512MB)
And i'm havin a budget around 950$
But first tell the processor i'm talkin about
it is a pentium d dual core right
and it is 3.4 Ghz
So is it good enough or not
And y
also tell me about some other graphic card

 

And also this processor has 2*2MB L2 cache
And im having an option for 2*512 MB DDR2 ram and 2*1GB DDR1 Ram So which one should i go for
And the motherboard is Intel original 102... with integrated ati radeon express 200 graphic card
So should be other mods

 

FYI here is a chart so you can see the difference in performance of one CPU against another in various games and applications.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=433&model2=435&chart=170


This shows the 6400 rather than 6300, but helps to explain some differences.
You need to remember that the new Core 2 CPUs were a complete redesign rather than update to older technology.


You would still be better off with an E6300 rather than a Pentium D processor.

http://www.manicgeeks.com/viewstory.php?id=176&PHPSESSID=afc5152ce4a2813998991cbc59b05f0e

Intel Pentium D 945 Presler 3.4GHz 2 x 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $168
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819116255

Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz 2M sharing L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor – Retail $180
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16819115005

As for the rest of the system, here are my recommended parts.
If you took all the top parts the bill would be $926+ postage so it should be right on your $950 budget.
This would blow away any onboard GPU based system using a Pentium D CPU.

End performance is relative to each part used, the E6300 CPU has a locked multiplier of x7, so any speed you end up with will have to be achieved via a FSB overclock, and that then relates to the memory speed.
With 6400 memory DDR800, you could run the system very easily at 2.8GHz (400x7) and the memory at DDR800 using a 1:1 ratio.
Don’t be fooled by the seemingly lower clock rates and cache of the Core 2 compared to the Pentium D, as if you compare a E6400 to the Pentium D, it will show performance is with the 6400.
Comparing it to an E6600 is probably closer to what you’ll get at that speed, although the 6300/6400 uses 2x1MB cache and the 6600 uses 2x2MB cache.

Hope this helps you make your final decision, and hopefully you won’t end up with regrets later when you start to upgrade.



GIGABYTE GA-965P-S3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128017

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/mainboards/display/ga-965p-s3.html
or
GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $143
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813128012
A quick snapshot of how the E6300 will perform in a DS3 board.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=106685


ASUS P5B Socket T (LGA 775) Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131030

If you consider an Nforce chipset then this comes into play
ASUS P5NSLI Socket T (LGA 775) NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI Intel Edition ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $107
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16813131032


CORSAIR XMS2 1GB (2 x 512MB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $132
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145566


GECUBE GC RX800GTO2-D3 Radeon X800GTO 256MB 256-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 CrossFire Ready Video Card - Retail $120
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814241021
X800GTO
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2006/11/07/the_best_video_cards_for_your_money_uk/


Western Digital Caviar SE WD1600JS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive – OEM $57
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822144415


COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel, SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $45
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16811119068


HIPER HPU-4M480-PS ATX12V v2.2 480W Power Supply 100 - 120V AC cUL,TUV,CB,CE,FCC - Retail $56
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817128005


LITE-ON Black 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-ROM ATAPI/E-IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model SHD-16P1S - Retail $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827106027


Pioneer Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 5X DVD-RAM DVD-ROM 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 40X CD-ROM 2M Cache ATAPI 16X DVD±R DVD Burner With 5X DVD-RAM Read - OEM $32
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16827129001


NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model FD1231H-302 - OEM
$6
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16821152005


Acer AL1706Ab Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor 270 cd/m2 500:1 - Retail $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824009088


This monitor is $10 cheaper than the Acer; it has better brightness, better contrast ratio, and better viewing angle and built in speakers.

X2GEN MG17K Black 17" 8ms LCD Monitor 350 cd/m2 700:1 Built in Speakers - Retail $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16824222024


Microsoft CA9-00001 Black 103 Normal Keys 3 Function Keys PS/2 Standard Basic Keyboard and Mouse Mouse Included – OEM $14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16823109132

 

thnx for the info...and how the hell do u oc ur E6600 to 3.6GHz from 2.4Ghz thats incredible...and for the mobo i'll suggest eVGA/Asus 680i

 

im looking for a Socket A type procceser that will replace my abouslete 1.2ghz thunderbird in my pc
any1 up for suggestions