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Discussion in 'Windows - Virus and spyware problems' started by Mez, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. aldan

    aldan Active member

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    i am but your grasshopper to command sensei.
     
  2. omendata

    omendata Regular member

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    Was that a spelling mistake?

    I too like Sensi!
    Indica preferred but I can do a sativa now and again!
    Ruderalis very rarely!
    >;o)

    Oh i see...Japanese my bad!
    <;o)

    The NSA probably have me down as a bad man now!
    uuuulp
     
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  3. ddp

    ddp Moderator Staff Member

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    and i am not going to protect you either so have fun with those boys.
     
  4. aldan

    aldan Active member

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    never had ruderalis but there is a first time for everything.the spelling of sensei was a shot in the dark at best.did ye mean what ye said of haggis?im a canadian scot but i dinna think i can do haggis.lol.
     
  5. omendata

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    Of course all Americans understand the Haggis hunting season!

    We have to have something to keep the tourists coming!

    Canadians I hear are much more sensible!
    >;o)

    Ddp isnt going to protect me!
    I thought we were all a big family on here!
    My bad...I guess its every man for himself when it comes to the NSA.
    Got everyone running scared with their prisms and prison threats!
     
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  6. aldan

    aldan Active member

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    yep,they gonna get you first.LOL
     
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    Your safe as long as you eat sheep innards.... No one will bother you :)
     
  8. Mez

    Mez Active member

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    I 'talked' to a machine code programmer of the same era last week on a different board. His computer had bee infected with hundreds of malware but he had at least 1 root kit so he couldn't find any with any scanner he used until he used a web based scanner. He wanted to find a schematic for his hardware and sourse code for his OS so he could figure out what happened. I think I got him to to give that up and read up on malware.

    Being a city boy I keep from hunting such dangerous beasts as Haggis.

    Oidhche mhath!
     
  9. omendata

    omendata Regular member

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    He must like russian downloads or porn!

    One of the sure fire ways to get a malware on your network!

    I use a honey pot - install the software first test it for a few weeks then it goes on my main machine which is backed up every night to 3 different sans.

    I work in IT Security and to be honest he doesnt sound like a machine code programmer at all - have you any idea how long it would take to even analyze a complex 1k program dude never mind an OS lol roflmao
    And why would you need a schematic of your hardware?

    If he was for real he would need a list of interrupt vectors , hardware io ports and other such arcane machine codery - I remember the days of the Pakistani Brain virus and even taking something like that apart took some time! Matt Newman , Jeff Minter , Dave Brabham now they were master machine coders - big respect!

    You into Gaelic?
    póg mo thóin

    lol
    >;o)
     
  10. 2oldGeek

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    It really doesn't really take that long if you have a disassembler and speak good Assembly Language.

    I have MS DOS, MS Basic and MS Disk Basic disassembled in my old files that I used back in my programming days so I could write programs that used some of their routines and cut down the size of my program when programming a computer in those days with only 32 kB of RAM. Yee Ha! :)

    P.S. That was before the internet or Windows...
     
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  11. ddp

    ddp Moderator Staff Member

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    the internet was around but was not main stream til about the mid to late 90's.
     
  12. 2oldGeek

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    It was still just a gleam in someones eye in the early 70's

     
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  13. omendata

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    It was called Prestel!
    Or
    BBS

    I said complex 1k program old yin - ever tried to program floating point arithmetic hidden line removal algorithm on an 8-bit Bbc Micro Dragon 32 Or Cbm64 - having a disassembler helps but it doesnt translate the memory locations back to variable names which means you have to work out each memory location variable purpose.

    Even with a disassembler you have to know what the io locations do and and that takes time - ever programmed a 6522 via or 6845 crtc to do 1 pixel parallax scrolling , revectoring a &220 timer interrupt to intercept the int 19 flyback pulse and synchronise the timer to just before flyback to ensure jitter free parallax - not easy dude not easy!

    Thats what i meant by complex - or how about collage theorem as used on many graphic adventure games of yesteryear now its all high level with oodles of memory, prebuilt bolt on non optimised subprograms and thats why programmers are so bad nowadays.

    The best programmers were compiler , os and assembler writers closely followed by machine code games programmers - David Brabham and Elite were the pinnacle of genius in mathematics and games programming!!!
     
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    hahaha,i could learn to understand gaelic quicker than what you two are speaking.
     
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    You only need variable names when programming a movable code that works where ever it's placed in RAM. DOS like windows allocates its memory locations in the same place and doesn't move. That makes it easier to locate where a routine will be and make the calls to it. Just load a register with the data then call the location and it returns your answer or performs what ever routine it is suppose to. It's been too many years for me to go back to those days of programing Z80's and other 1.2 MHz CPU's that could only address 64 kB of RAM for me to remember much of it. LOL
    I have been running the IT dept. for a hotel chain for the last 25 years fighting malware and fixing some idiot's screwed up computer..... fun fun fun I also build computers on the side and have better luck with my customers not screwing up things and bringing a build back than I do with the idiots I work with.......... :)
     
  16. omendata

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    Variable names help you to work out what a program does.
    Indirect indexed addressing using a memory address wouldnt return what you think it would so variables in assembler are more than useful.

    Yeah i know the situation for me those were the good old days now I am forced to work with idiot managers with degrees in sociology and business management but havent a clue with the difference between a Nas and a San.

    Yeah idiots you work with I know the feeling only too well!

    I also build custom computers on the side and kit cars!
    I should have become a car mechanic , plumber or leccie there is no money in IT now unless you are a developer , business management consultant, consultant or other esoteric paper shuffling job!

    I am currently a member of the great unwashed after telling my last boss to go f*** himself - something ive always wanted to do but most people dont have the balls to - but now suffering for it - still i did what i had to and im happy with it - Do a bit of security work now and again but to be honest I dont really want to work in IT anymore - might not have a regular job but im enjoying early retirement!

    Besides the muslim apocalypse is upon us - wont be long before Meggido erupts and we will all be retired anyway!
    lol
     
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    LOL Well, mine is not an early retirement, I just retired this year at 71. Ever since I turned 65 it had become a yearly routine on my birthday, I would tell my Boss I was retiring, he would go into nervous riggers, give me a raise and an extra week of vacation and I would stay for another year. This time I stuck to my guns and I’m out of there… :)
     
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    Wow! you must be in great health, lucky you and good for you, I'm jealous.
     
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    At my age everything either dries up or leaks and I have so many stints that I trigger the metal detector at the airport. So when I think it's about time for a check up I just book a flight to go see my daughter and grand kids..
    [​IMG]
     
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    Most managers are idiots. Actually they are smart enough but how they think. Their job is just to survive not to accomplish anything real. You can do anything if you have a proper patsy. Managers love young fools and hate old timers that know how to cover their ass.

    That is why there is so much malware. The white hats are managed by managers that just want to maintain status quo while the hackers are lead by the smartest one in the pack. The black hats are getting the upper hand for most of the population. Only persons that keep up with what is going on can still stay one step ahead.
     

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