lol.. yeah good point. I was just wondering, because for the sport and thing's it'd be a good idea.. I'm new to this thing, 've just recently bought a house and looking into various options as regarding TV. I have a friend who has a box think its a starview. but he doens't know a great deal about them apart from the fact it works. So i was wondering if i would need to get a deal from VM that included TV and Broadband to get the benefits of using a box or whether i only needed broadband? which would basically give a live feed into the house which would be enough? i have read so many threads on this site lol and tried to peice together various info, but i don't really understand much.