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Using DVDremake and Other Tools with DVDrebuilder And CCE

Discussion in 'DVD / BD-Rebuilder forum' started by Sophocles, Jun 18, 2004.

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  1. 5thfloor

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    MackemX, thanks for the link. Looks like a good way for joining all of the 2 disc movies, if space permits..
     
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    no probs 5thfloor

    Pinnacle's IC was better quality than most transcoders at lower level compressions according to most. IC seems to have died off now

    I wrote numerous guides on this software (one old link is http://www.deano.dsl.pipex.com/backup/ics.htm) along with a sizing calculator and could get some good sizing results but getting the magic 4.37Gb is a nightmare especially with 2.35:1 movie only's as it's virtually impossible unless it's a real long movie and even then it's sizing is out by a mile

    create some mini DVD's by using DVDShrink's reauthor at no compression and grabbing a few scenes of a DVD. Now stick this mini DVD through all the tools you have, reducing them to a certain level (the more the better) and make a note of which is which. Get DVDShrink again using reauthor and no compression and stick them all in one project and then burn the output onto a DVD-RW to playback on your system

    if you have your notes then you will know which titles are which and what made them and at what %

    it may be something like this

    Title 1 = Scene 1 Recode@60%
    Title 2 = Scene 1 DVDRB@60%
    Title 3 = Scene 1 Instantcopy@60%
    Title 4 = Scene 2 Recode@70%
    Title 5 = Scene 2 DVDRB@70%
    Title 6 = Scene 2 Instantcopy@70%
    Title 7 = Scene 3 Recode@80%
    Title 8 = Scene 3 DVDRB@80%
    Title 9 = Scene 3 Instantcopy@80%

    I say this as it's best to make your own tests if you can and use your own eyes on your own system as people's perceptions of quality etc vary wildly no matter what ;)
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    5thFloor,
    I don't normally use Half D1 for anything besides extras (and not even then most of the time). Whenever possible it's better to keep full resolution, but if you have a blocky picture it's time to consider modifying the default DVD-RB process. Depending on how much experimenting you want to do, one of the best options is actually using additional AviSynth plugins to smooth the picture. This can help CCE encode at higher quality because it eliminates a lot of sharp edges, which are one of the biggest reasons for high bitrates. My latest guide updates have more information on this (plus I've divided the single guide into Basic and Advanced guides). As soon as Ketola has time to get them up you can read more there. Until then, you can read this thread: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/88939 to get an idea what I'm talking about.
     
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    5th floor, Hard to say which is better. Re-authoring is not so hot in IC8, but I use DVDRemake 1st and then open IC8 using DRM's files, and results are excellent. In all of the comparison tests I have seen, IC8 always seems to be in the top 3. DVDCopy 2 is fast, I mean really fast(burning @ 4x, a 2 hr. movie in 30 min.). It re-authors better than IC8, and again quality is way up there. Some people have had pixelation problems in Copy2, it has only happened to me a couple of times and even then it was just at a couple of very fleeting spots in the movie. It does really well in some comparison tests(no.1 in a lot) and in some others, 5th or 6th. The speed is amazing for what you get in return. Copy 2 costs 79.00 while IC8 costs 25.00. If you add DRM to the mix, another 25.00. I would like to add that I have all of these and many more(sigh) and have used all quite extensively. Of the twenty or so progs I rate them as follows; 1-rebuilder/CCE, but only for long movies w/wo extras. 2 & 3-dvdcopy 2 and InstantCopy 8 with the edge only slightly to copy2 because of speed and re-authoring. You really can't go wrong with any of these 3, they will ALL pass your standards on your 50" TV. Good luck
     
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    I've personally given up on test comparisons because I've seen really good software get lower ratings on one site and higher on another. I can show you a comparison where one reviewer gave IC8 a 1 out of 10. I know that's wrong because I did my own tests and I would've rated it an easy 8 of 10. I have one application for speed and one for quallity (CCE).
     
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    I totally agree sophocles, I am suggesting these 3 from my own personal use of them, and the fact that all do well in comparison tests which would suggest that across the board they are quality, dependable softwares for video backups. I , however use more than one or two apps. I still use nero's recode from time to time, another excellent program, depending on the situation. Different apps for different applications. 5thfloor was asking for input, and I was supplying my personal use with these apps and results I have seen in researching them.
     
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    bigorange

    Did you follow the link I gave you to DVD2DVD-R? I'm going to put it through the DareDevil test tonight and see how it handles interleaves.
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    Sophocles, yeah, I downloaded it last nite, haven't had time to do anything else yet. Do you have to use ifoedit with it(I have it). Is there a way to use remake with it? I studied on it for about an hour looking at various guides and articles, but haven't tried to use it yet. What is your recipe, in a nutshell?
     
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    It uses DVD2avi and IFoedit but it uses them automatically. All you have to do is point the application to CCE. It won't work with CCE 2.69 so you'll need a copy of CCE 2.67. The way it seems to work is tha it makes a fake Avi file with DVD2avi which allows it to use ifoedit as the frame server. You will also need to use a bitrate calculator to get the file size right.
     
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    I was afraid of that. I have 2.67, it seems to work with rebuilder(we talked about this), anyway will DVDcalculator work?
     
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    It might I downloaded dozens of the da-n things looking for the right one. They all seem to be geared toware S/VCD and DiVx. I already did a succesful backup of Forrest Gump but I miscalculated the bitrate and the movie came at 3.26 gigs. What's amazing is that my wife and I watched and it played all the way through with excellent pciture quality.
     
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    I think dvd Calculator is geared to work with IFOEdit, and since that's what dvd2dvd uses, I figured it would suffice.
     
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    Sophocles,I may give it a try with decrypter/dvd2dvdr/cce/dvdlab. It requires 30g's of HD space! Good thing I added another 200. I may be able to use DRM in place of dvdlab. I'll let ya know how it turns out.
     
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    I used DVDremake on the Forrest Gump backup I made. I don't think that this app keeps the menus, I think its a movie only backup. Let us know how it works.
     
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    thanks bigorange, i guess that i will run some tests to see what is the best quality through my eyes.
     
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    Dimad has released a new version of DVDremake, he's says that he's fixed the strip all angles feature. I tried it on DareDevil and it seems to work or at least it no longer crashes.
     
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    LOL, sophocles, did you watch it ALL the way through? BTW, for the rest of the forum, I used dvd2dvdr with dvdlab/cce and decrypter in file mode, it turned out fine quality wise, but is movie only. Not near as user friendly as rebuilder. So I will be staying with RB/CCE and remake since I like my menus, which is as it should be since that is what the thread is about anyway. Sophocles, now that remake seems to be working with rebuilder and CCE v.2.67, I'm almost afraid to upgrade.
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    Yes I watched it all the way through for the nth number of times if we're talking about DareDevil. The new version of DVDremake is an improvement it now easily strips angles without having to hide all blocks or crashing. I won't post any information on this site regarding DVD2DVD-R because it is off topic, and any discussions regarding it really should remain on the 1 click transcoder site.
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    sophocles, tsk, tsk, I was only responding to your earlier posts since the the rest of the thread had already seen them. [bold] bigorange

    Did you follow the link I gave you to DVD2DVD-R? I'm going to put it through the DareDevil test tonight and see how it handles interleaves. [/bold]and [bold] I think its a movie only backup. Let us know how it works.[/bold] Now that they've been informed, I do not plan to bring it up anymore.
     
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