Video_ts too big for DVD-R...pls help!

Well... even the newbies can now use the RB since the installer was developed. Before it was for more advanced users who could set it up. A person had to know both encoding and PC program structure. Now it runs great with default settings and the user only needs to pay attention when doing the setup. AD has a forum section devoted just to Rebuilder which houses some good help threads. Doom9 has a RB forum, and the dvd-rb site has one as well. I use the Pro version of the software which has a few more bells and whistles. LOL Good luck with your future projects. Use the Batch Processing and you can do at least a couple of jobs at night while you're sleeping.

 

just to point out that the latest version of convertXtodvd is on par with using film machine/CCE in terms of quality,IMO..,and very much faster

 

I'm glad you put that In My Opinion in there. Sophocles pointed out an article to me recently about top encoders being compared by professionals. Pro Coder and CCE were at the top of the list. ConvertXtoDVD wasn't even listed. If you don't believe what I'm saying, I'm sure I can track down the source.

I can tell you're terribly pleased with your software. I'm happy for you. But let's be real for a minute, a combo tool from VSO isn't going to compare with the likes of CCE, Pro Coder, or the HC encoder which are true encoding programs.

 

That's right all of those fools out there spending $1995 for an encoder should be ashamed when the same thing could be accompolished for just $35.

hursty

Sorry hursty but even you have to feel a little foolish making that statment. I've been a long time fan of VSO software products and I have had private discussions with their developers (claire for one)about their products including converxtodvd during its development and I know that Claire wouldn't make that claim. ConverX is certainly easier to use than CCE but it's not even in the same category when comparing encoding quality. Cinema Craft Encoder is the reigning champ.

I have no clue as to why anyone would even want to consider converting a highly compressed DiVx/Xvid movie to DVD, the resulting picture quallity would make VHS look like high definition by comparison. I do admittedly convert some old cartoons that are in Avi to DVD but that's because they're unavailble anywhere else.

When a DVD is compressed to a 700 meg DiVx it isn't like compressing a file with Winzip and then all that's needed is unzipping it, because decompressing it won't return it to it's original quality. You can't get back what's been permanently removed and converting it back to DVD compliancy is going result in even more loss. But if you're determined to create and own one the most visually disatisfying DVD collections around then try them all and see which one you like. You might also want to add DVD Santa (stupid name but it works quite well and it is the easiest of them all to use) to that list. It supports subtitles and it adds chapters as well and it comes with a full 30 day unrestricted trial.

 

It is true, you cannot get oranges back from orange juice! But some resulting conversion look actually pretty good, way better than a quality VHS, given that the AVI source was great quality.

 

cyprusrom

We're not talking about getting oranges from orange juice here, were talking about getting oranges from Tang.

Not a 700 meg converted avi won't, this is one of the baloney statements that has been made over the net over time. At 700 megs to DVD the video quality will look okay fuzzy but Okay in slow moving scenes but in action scenes the movie will be ruined by macroblocking and other artifacts. VHS will match a 700 meg DiVx movie in still scenes and beat it easily in motion scenes. I'm not advocating VHS but what I'm telling you is true. That's why back in the 1990's I used to divide my DiVx/Xvid copies across two CD's for (1.5 gig result) now there you would get a movie that will beat VHS.

Now to really infuriate you! A VHS movie to DVD will be substantially clearer than a 700 meg avi to DVD will also because there will be no loss in the excange. How do I know? Because I've been doing this since DeCSS hit the market and I have a few hard disks loaded with my converted DVD's to AVI. I just love experiementing.

 

I suppose is a more accurate statement! Most of the movies I have converted are Disney movies and movies that I have a hard time finding on DVD. They look okay on my not-so very-big screen TV! I am sure it would look not so good on a big screen. I don't say the quality is the best, and I wouldn't build my DVD collection on converted avis, but I think is more than acceptable to watch it and decide if you really like the movie and is worth having in your collection.

By all means, I don't mind if someone tries to enlighten me! And I have no experience on getting VHS to DVD, so I believe you. Hell, back in the '90 I didn't even know what a CD burner was. i did not own a computer untill 2 years ago, when someone just gave it away(didn't know he could make it much faster if he had more than 64RAM, or just didn't care!).

So I can't say I know much about video converting/transcoding, whatever. I just say that most of the time my eye is pleased, especially with the resources available! Even though I would like to have my daily oranges, or 100% natural orange juice, sometimes I have to settle for for a little dust package that makes a couple gallons of "flavoured" water!
Cheers!

 

cyprusrom
As long as we don't call the Tang orange juice. You're not the one who was saying ConvertXtoDVD was superior to CCE. One of the reasons I don't have more AVI conversions is due to the quality. I try to make them the best I can using an encoder and filters such as Undot and Deen (and GREY for B&W), but nothing is going to make an AVI conversion look as good as an original movie on DVD. Most of us tend to agree on that. Like Sophocles, the only thing I keep in AVI conversions for my movie collection is what I can't find elsewhere. I did'nt even go with trying to back up my VHS tapes on DVD. I replaced those with DVD versions. Luckily, everything I had on VHS had been put on DVD by the movie industry. A big plus is that I wasn't into collecting VHS movies.

 

well,thats probably because most people dont have a dvix player at home and need to convert the avi file to dvd format,....thats what the thread starter asked at the beginning..

maybe my statement was a little off track,but i sort of still stand by it.

yes,converting a avi file to vobs will obviously result in lower quality,but the latest release from vso produces excellent results in such a short space of time,(set on high quality)
i have used CCE/film machine on numurous occasions and cant really tell the difference between that and the new vso release,except that filmmachine/CCE takes about 4 times as long,>>>> and for a avi file thats not great quality to start off with,i cant justify it.
lets not beat about the bush here,we are talking mainly about files from the net

however,i must say i have never really been a fan of vso in terms of quality in the past,but for a beginner who wants ease of use along with speed and quality,it gets top marks so far.

btw, have either of you tested it yet on many avi's ???

regards

 

hi all

heres my 2 pence worth, i use TFM/CCE and i use convertxtodvd, on average i convert say 8 to 10 avi a week so done hundreds now! and the quailty of this new app convertxtodvd is truely awesome, the finished output from both TFM/CCE and convertxtodvd is like the avi you first loaded i cant tell the difference i have also tested many other apps as i do alot of avi to dvd and found that for the most part TFM/CCE was for me till this new encode engine came out as convertxtodvd the quailty is the same for both apps...

truely awesome, convertxtodvd is slightly faster about an hour on highest quailty settings, tfm/cce about 1hour to an hour and a half.

didnt really rate procoder much and the likes of dvd santa, winavi and others like nero etc...

me i want the best so i test lots of apps and still do and still iam coming back to those main 2 now.

but as mentioned the quality of the initial avi is paramount, so i make sure they are the best before hand

thx all

 

I just love the contradiction there, speed and quality with files "thats not great quality". With crap in, it's crap out. You can say I like the software and justify your choice as a personal preference. However, the software isn't going to compete with the likes of CCE. How FilmMachine uses CCE, I'm not sure, I haven't used that one. I've used CCE on numerous occasions with RB though and the results are excellent. I realize it can't make "a silk purse out of a sow's ear" with something like AVI files though. RB/CCE is better than VSO's encoding software, especially since VSO's main objective isn't in development of encoding software.

I guess when one is using poorer quality files such as AVI, it doesn't take a great app to do the task of supplying the mediocre output associated with the AVI format. Even if ConvertXtoDVD does the best job with AVI conversions, the quality will not be that of a factory DVD. We've sort of wandered from apples to oranges. RB/CCE is for encoding DVDs. It can be used for encoding DVD files for converted AVI files when larger than the target media. It does a superior job of setting the bitrate as compared to a tool like ConvertXtoDVD. For working with good files, it can't be beat. The problem is the difference when processing poor quality files, even the mediocre tool can look as good as the better one.

 

hi

rb/rebuilder is that for dvd to dvdr?

i use avi2dvd/CCE for dvd to dvdr...

 

@brobear,why is it a contradiction???

i said vso is on par with CCE as far as the output is concerned,(the initial quality has nothing to do it)

dont mis-interpret what i said.

for your information the film machine has the option of using CCE as its engine,i have used it...thats how i know

dont detract from the fact that this thread is about converting AVI files,and not copying DVD'S

regards hursty

 

Don't you see a contradiction in quality with low quality source matereial. I added to the post. It's obvious why initial input is important. Even a poor encoder can do as good as a superior one if they have little to work with. As I pointed out, or should have, low quality in, low quality out.

Rotary, RB/CCE is mainly for encoding DVD movies; DVD compliant files to DVD R or DVD R DL.

 

hi

also i found that convertxtodvd can handle not so good made up avi too which is very handy, i dont mean bad quailty i mean avi thats makeup in file isnt true or its made slightly wrong it will encode it, where CCE if not a good true file make up can throw a wobbler, this comes in very handy, its also been said not sure if it works though that it will correct audio sync issues as it encodes? not sure on that as i check all my avi first before encode and correct them myself, what ever the ms is needed first! i use avi-mux gui aswell as divfix depending on whats needed before encode... grab these 2 they are brilliant free apps...

convertxtodvd comes into its own for episodes as the new menu feature works great for this, 5 episodes 5 menu links etc on your dvd, very kool...

 

NV4 does menus as well and templates can be changed. I'm not saying ConvertXtoDVD isn't good for what it does. I merely took opposition to the ridiculous statement that ConvertXtoDVD is as good an encoder as CCE. In cases with AVI files the user might see a similarity in output. However, I don't see ConvertXtoDVD ever delivering the quality attainable with RB/CCE when doing a backup of a factory DVD. With the better source, it's obvious what CCE is capable of.

 

@ brobear,the thread was about avi files,
if it was about dvd 2 dvd then i wouldnt have made such a statement,about convertxtodvd,so i will stand by my intial statement

so back to the initial poster,(who probably has got scared by now)

if you want the best quality,use convertXtodvd,if not use something else

when it comes to choosing a app each have there own preferences,and depending on what you want,the choices can be confusing
everyone wants the best quality with the speed factor,and with everyone having different opinions it can be even harder to choose

anyways good luck!!!,and may the force be with you

and bon voyage (or however you spell it)

 

Well, now that we've ascertained that VSO's software will walk the dog, wash the car, squeeze orange juice, cook breakfast, while at the same time doing the best encodes in the world we can lay the subject to rest. VSO has to be the best, because hursty said so and Rotary has had good experiences with the software. LOL No offense Rotary, you were just commenting on your positive experiences with the app. I do wonder why you're using so many AVI files though. Most good movies have been digitally mastered or remastered for DVD, including the older classics and some not so classic. I prefer having my movie library on DVD with the backups done by an encoder that gives faithful reproduction.

Hursty
You're right the thread was about AVI files. I just added that RB/CCE could be used to encode DVD files that had been converted from AVI. It was you who jumped in with the ridiculous statement that ConvertXtoDVD is a superior encoder to CCE. Working with inferior source files, it may make RB/CCE output look similar to output from inferior apps, as I mentioned. But as I also mentioned, not on its best day can ConvertXtoDVD rival RB/CCE for encoding a good DVD source. So hopefully the force is with you. You'll need it to ward off the laughs if you keep making such ridiculous statements.

From Industryclick's listing of encoders the professionals appear to prefer CCE for encoding. http://images.industryclick.com/files/127/404VSsfeature.pdf

I'll leave the converting of AVI and the magical encoding with ConvertXtoDVD with Jedi force to you. I'll try to converse with those still in this reality.

 

hursty

None of us had DiVx players in those days, they didn't even exist. We built our own PC's that served as a DVD player and media player so that a DiVx recorded to a CDR would be playable.


One last thing, let's not make this debate persoanl.

 

Like most threads, this one progressed with associated topics being discussed. Cyprusrom and I were discussing encoders that could be used with files after they had been converted.

Good idea not getting personal; though it does get a bit personal when someone jumps in with statements implying I haven't a clue about what I'm talking about. Professionals prefer CCE for working with video files and ConvertXtoDVD is rarely mentioned. Granted, it can convert, but saying it's superior to CCE is still something else.

As for DivX players, whether recorded to DVD or CD, it can be viewed on some rather inexpensive equipment. My Philips player that I bought for less than $75 plays most anything that is round. It plays various DVD formats, CD including VCD and SVCD, and among other formats, DivX. Philips isn't the only inexpensive player with the multi format capabilities, just check the stores selling equipment.