What causes pixelation, hanging and freezing

Discussion in 'DVDR' started by heraldo2, Jan 19, 2006.

  1. brobear

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    Mort
    BigO was telling me he was having problems with some of the new Sony releases. Nothing he had would do the backup and he tried DVDXCopy 5 and it worked. He'd had it for a while but hadn't tried it. It was his last app on the PC he could use for the task. He has Decrypter, Imgburn, Nero and others. If you know him, you know he's a software junkie. I'm not doing DL recording much, so I haven't repeated his findings. One thing I'm aware of is that DL is more trouble than most people anticipate.

    heraldo2
    Lets take this one step at a time. First remove those backup apps except for AnyDVD. Load DVD Decrypter. We want to start from scratch and see if we can isolate the problem. Check your source DVD to make sure it is in good condition and your PC is reading it good. Play some of it with your DVD player software on the PC. Then make sure the AnyDVD is on and rip the files to the HD. Check the HD files with the player software to see if the pixelation has shown up. If it's bad here, we know it happened in the read and less to check.

    If all is well download and install DVD Shrink 3.2. Check the deep analysis and Quality settings to insure the best encode. Do the encode and record the output to the hard drive. View the output with the player software. Check again for the pixelation.

    If all is okay, download Nero 7. We'll burn with it because it has a burn log you can save. Use XPress and burn the files. View and see if the pixelation is there.

    With the process segmented, that will tell us when the problems come in and with this setup problems are more easily isolated. Hopefully the drive is still good. ;)
     
  2. brobear

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    D1CK1E
    It's best to eliminate as many variables as possible when doing a test to try to find a problem. Additional loads may or may not have an effect on the system, but why wonder. Surely a person can stop surfing or whatever for 10 to 15 minutes.

    I have a fast system with a lot of resources. I surf and do other odds and ends while doing batch encodes and I even burn while encoding. I don't recommend that for those with less resources. A couple of weeks ago I couldn't do it. Since then I upped the processor to 3.4GHz from 2.8, increased the RAM to 2GB from 1 and improved the quality by using a performance matched pair of PC3200C2 Corsair memory. I have about 500GB of HD space with 2 WD HDDs. I just put in a new Plextor PX 716AL slot load burner and at slave is an HP burner I replaced my old one with just before Christmas. The system is made for multitasking and encoding. How many systems you see with those resources? I only point that out because some systems can do things that will bother others. So, it's best to leave off the activity while doing a backup until the process is at least doing what it's supposed to.
     
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  3. aabbccdd

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    My hands up brobear LOL !!!! running a kick ass machine myself per my sig.

    also guys if you run anydvd with dvd decrypter set it up this way

    To use DVD Decrypter in conjunction with AnyDVD as stated per Olli ->OF SLYSOFT AND CLONEDVD

    Proceed to the DVD Decrypter Opening Page - Tools - Settings

    I/O Tab - Click on "Elby CDIO-Elaborate Bytes"

    General Tab - un-check "Check For Structure Protection"
     
  4. D1CK1E

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    I'm using a very nice system (2gb EL RAM, 3200+ venice) and I'm using DVD Decryper to make the image and then ImgBurn (with the correct booktype) to burn it. It plays fine on my computer just not on an old G&E DVD player. It skipps for a fraction of a second every now and then and then freezes on this one spot.

    Thanks.
     
  5. aabbccdd

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    use Verbatim DL media and i assume your book typing the media to DVD-ROM right. burn at 2.4x or no more then 4x if that doesnt work i would say its a problem with your standalone dvd player ,i would shop for a newer model
     
  6. brobear

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    LOL You guys took that too literally. Here on the forums there are a bunch of good machines. You'll notice a lot of them belong to those who have a working knowledge of what a PC needs to do. But a large number of people here or passing through have systems barely over minimum production levels. More are decent work PCs than for use encoding video and gaming. I suspect more than the 2 of you can raise their hand. I guess I should have asked, how often do you see people with enough system resources to do all the tasks they'd like to? I know we see them, but they're far from the majority.

    But... one step at a time when trying to solve a problem. ;)
     
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  7. brobear

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    aabbccdd
    That info about changing settings in Decrypter to accommodate AnyDVD might be helpful to know. For myself though, I've done a lot of backups using the 2 together without problems. I hit one situation over a year ago and it was obvious I needed to turn one off. With subsequent updates of AnyDVD, the same situation never came up again. It only happened on one movie. By the way, I do a lot of the new releases, so I would have more than likely seen it again if still a problem.
     
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  8. brobear

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    heraldo2

    Do what I suggested yet? One step at a time... If all checks okay on the PC, then look at the player. ;)
     
  9. Mort81

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    D1CK1E,

    You never did tell us what DL media you are using. I second aabbccdd's suggestion and recommend only verbatim DL media. Keep burn speed at 2.4x at least untill you are sure you have overcome the freezing, pausing problem.

    aabbccdd,

    I like everything in your sig but as you already know, mostly adriana. ;)
     
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  10. aabbccdd

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    brobear iam surprised you arent using clonedvd 2 with anydvd man per the re-aurthoring capabilities
     
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  11. Mort81

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    I used to prefer dvdremake paired with dvdcopy3 over clonedvd 2 untill I noticed that copy3 was making a target folder of only about 3.8 gb so I quit using it and almost exclusively use remake and rb/cce. There has been 1 exception with a sony dvd where the backup would not play on my set-top dvd player (it's pretty particular as it would play fine on the neighbors dvd player) and transcoded the folder with clonedvd 2 and playback problem was cured. Only that particular one (exorcism of emily rose) and like I said it played fine on my dvdrw's and the neighbors dvd player. Strange. Needless to say my neighbor got a free backup.
     
  12. aabbccdd

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    LOL Mort81 ,Adriana is very easy to look at huh . and i knew you would like Exorcism of Emily Rose
     
  13. brobear

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    aabbccdd

    What re-authoring capabilities am I missing? I'm familiar with CloneDVD2 and in fact have a copy. I use DVD Rebuilder with Cinema Craft Encoder for most of my encoding jobs. It's slow but the quality is hard to beat. I just set up a batch job to do 3 or 4 at a time. I can use the PC or let it run alone. I have DVDReMake and DVDLabPro, but don't feel the need to use them with RB/CCE. If I want a quick job, I use DVDCopy 4 from InterVideo. I've never had any problems with it and it's fast with excellent video output. It will record DL as well. Did I forget to mention I have Nero 7 with the Recode, DVDXCopy including the newer 5 version that does DL, Procoder, DVD2One, 1ClickDVDCopy, DVDSanta and I bunch of stuff I'd have to look around to find? LOL I was in on the big compare the transcoder thread we had running last year.
     
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  14. aabbccdd

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    i thought you were using dvd decrypter only , my bad , i never had any luck with Intervideo since you cant control the burn speed and it maxs out the burn speed. and damn you have more software than me lol
     
  15. brobear

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    I suspect I have more software lost than many people will ever own. LOL I didn't mention some of the complicated apps I can't use very well, like Vegas and Premiere. And I have a bunch of utilities as well. A lot of these I haven't reloaded on my last format.

    As for Copy 4's burn speeds, with my equipment and media, I haven't had any problems yet. But with RB, I don't use a lot of the other apps except for testing and educational purposes. Burning the RB output, I use Nero or CopyToDVD3. There I can control the burn speeds. Normally though I limit the speeds to 6-8X. If the media is acting dodgy, I'll drop to 4X.

    Did I mention A Pinnacle suite and another from Sonic? I have player software coming out of the wazoo. I need to do inventory again sometime so I have a reference list on this stuff. I guess you could say I've been a software junkie. My buddy BigO has me beat though. LOL
     
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  16. Mort81

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    As far as controlling the burn speed with dvdcopy3/4, it can be done by selecting a premade folder as the target and then burn with some alternative burning software such as nero. As I previously mentioned my version for some reason is making the target folder size quite a bit smaller than is required, about 3900 mb as opposed to 4430 mb which is about ideal for top quality media.
     
  17. brobear

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    Wonder what happened to heraldo2?
     
  18. D1CK1E

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    Yeah I have been burning at 4x with Verbatim DVD+R DL discs. It seems to happen half way through the video (ie maybe at the layer switch)... so i'm guessing it's my dvd player since my xbox and pc can play it fine.

    Seriously this is the most helpful forum ever. =) thanks
     
  19. aabbccdd

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    sounds like its time for a new standalone dvd player
     
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  20. brobear

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    That's one of the most inexpensive components around as well. Good ones for around $50 and cheapos down around $25 to $30.
     

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