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Which Transcoding Tools Produce The Best Picture Quality.

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    Forgot to insert the Log File concerning my burn with Pinnacle Instant Copy.

    6/7/2004 3:54:22 AM

    Versions:
    Operating System: Windows XP 5.01 (Build 2600: Service Pack 1)
    CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.00GHz (x86 Family 15 Model 1 Stepping 2 SSE2)
    InstantCopy : 8.0.0.251
    Pinnacle Disc Abstraction Layer : 1.0.0.67
    Recording API Events Translation Library: 1.0.1.20
    Device Abstraction Layer : 1.0.0.427
    Audio resampler : 1.0.0.6
    VCD Library : 2.0.6.0
    SVCD Library : 2.0.6.0
    MPEG2 Video Filter : 1.0.0.24
    AC3 Audio Filter : 1.0.0.18
    MPEG2 Transcoder Filter : 1.0.0.66
    File Dump Filter (Sample) : 8.0.0.10
    Pinnacle MPEG2 Sectorbased DVD Reader : 1.0.0.13
    Stream Multiplexer : 1.0.0.15
    Stream Splitter : 1.0.0.33
    Stream Splitter : 1.0.0.33

    Settings:
    General:
    Temporary Directory: C:\DOCUME~1\Owner\LOCALS~1\Temp (53.00 GB of 71.92 GB free)
    After simulation: Start writing after confirmation
    Programming interface type: Automatic (Recommended)
    [X] Disable Screensaver while writing

    DVD:
    Copy method: Automatic Resize
    Preferred Destination: Automatic (Recommended)
    Reduction Method: Automatic (Recommended)
    CD Aspect Ratio: Automatic (Recommended)
    AS:
    SP:

    CD:
    Transfer Mode: Automatic (Recommended)
    Strategy: Stop copying on read error
    [ ] Use error seek
    Error seek range: 0

    Write:
    Write method: Automatic (Recommended)
    Closing method: Automatic (Recommended)
    Write speed: Automatic (Recommended)
    &Copies: 1
    [ ] Overwrite rewritable media without confirmation
    [ ] Write to hard disk first
    [ ] Simulate writing if possible

    Read:
    Data read speed: Automatic (Recommended)
    Audio read speed: Automatic (Recommended)
    Software read retries: 4
    [X] Set Hardware retries:
    Set Hardware retries: 2

    [03:54:22] Retrieving source Disc Information...
    [03:54:23] DVD to Disc
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    [03:54:23] PIONEER DVD-ROM DVD-116 1.21
    [03:54:23] Destination Device:
    [03:54:23] _NEC DVD_RW ND-2500A 1.06
    [03:54:23] Reading Video Title Sets...
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    [03:55:15] Preparing writing...
    [03:55:16] Save to hard disk first because of medium type and more then 7 VTS
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    [03:55:16] Reading Main Menu
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    [04:32:24] MULTIPLEX: Video: 36924 Audio: 4938 NavPackets: 415
    [04:32:25] Finalizing destination...
    [04:32:25] Copying disc
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  2. Sophocles

    Sophocles Senior member

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    Brian

    I agree that compressiobn even at 5 gigs can cause awful results with the wrong app (DVD shrink0, but any movies I've backed with recode under 5.5 gigs have been to eye, perfect when compared with the original. I can backup a 5.5 gig movie with recode in under 25 minutes. The same can be said for DVD2one right up to the 7 gig range and I can backup a 7 gig plus moive with DVD2one in under 45 minutes. Remember I did a side by side comaparison with DVD2one and instant copy on a 7.6 gig movie with instant copy just edging out DVD2one. For a movie like Return of The King the difference would be obvious and instant copy would be better suited for the task,(although I did successfully back an unpixeled Return of The King with DVD2one).

    Another point I can make is that I usually go for the movie only and that also reduces file size considerably. There are movies however like Return of The King and Rock Concerts where trimming isn't an option and high quality compression is.

    To sum, at given sizes where visual differences really aren't there I'm going to go for speed and save time. I am however going to purchase instant copy because it seems more trustworthy than Intervideos DVDcopy and it does it for less than half the price. I'm going to continue to use it until the two week trial is up in case I find a bug in it like those found in DVDcopy.
     
  3. brian100

    brian100 Guest

    Bigorange

    Welcome to the Pinnacle appreciation society !, now if I can persuade you to try DVDrebuilder & buy CCE basic (about $50), you will be cooking with major gas!.

    Rebuilder/CCE basic leaves Pinnacle far in it's wake.
    I backed up my Aliens DVD with CCE & could see NO difference between original & back-up.

    ps No more bragging about the 56" HD TV or I will throw you a serious bum stear :)
    _X_X_X_X_X_[small]On Initial Viewing My Backup Looked Terrible,
    But With One Eye Closed It Aint Half Bad!![/small]
     
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    Brian, didn't realize I was, sooorry, just wanted you to know that it was judged on something that would show flaws. Does CCE have a trial version? [​IMG]
    _X_X_X_X_X_[small][​IMG] [bold]GO VOLS![/bold]........Dell Media4600, XP home,Pentium 4 @2.80GHz/800Mz, 512MB, 280 HD w/8MB, 17" flat panel, AIO-A920, 8x DVD-ROM, integrated 5.1 audio, HP dc4000, Plextor PX-708UF[/small]
     
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    Sophocles Senior member

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    The 56 inch TV is a rear projeciton made by whom? Just curious. I've been debating getting a larger screen HD screen.BTW DVD box just did a review on pinnacle.
    _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
     
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  6. brian100

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    Bigorange

    I wasnt having a pop at you about your telly. I am just dead jealous that yours is bigger than mine!!. 44" is big enough for me though!!. (Said the actress to the bishop)

    Can i tell you summat straight mate?. With your 56" TV you seriously owe it to yourself to buy CCE basic. There is not a trial version available (i dont think!).

    If you are happy to run this setup overnight & truly care about image quality, then it's right up your street. The alternative, of course, is to wait until Dual Layer blanks come down in price & adopt that technology.
     
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    Mitsibishi, I still have the first one I ever bought, a 27" 20 years ago. They make Great video. PS- CCE have a trialware?
     
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    forget the request I read your earlier post and it was there.

    _X_X_X_X_X_[small]"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth." Sherlock Holmes (by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, 1859-1930)[/small]
     
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    The question I must ask of course is: user friendly? Gotta remember I'm just a poor ole dumb country boy. I actually downloaded dvd rebuilder til I realized I needed CCE to go with it. Seems like at the time it was substantually higher than 50.00 This was a while back when I first got into this vein and I was downloading everything and anything to do with video back-up. PS-I just put a bid on a dual layer burner by Lite On,SOHW 832S. Know much about them? [​IMG]
    _X_X_X_X_X_[small][​IMG] [bold]GO VOLS![/bold]........Dell Media4600, XP home,Pentium 4 @2.80GHz/800Mz, 512MB, 280 HD w/8MB, 17" flat panel, AIO-A920, 8x DVD-ROM, integrated 5.1 audio, HP dc4000, Plextor PX-708UF[/small]
     
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    There is a trial version of CCE http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_encoders/cinema_craft_encoder.cfm. It is one click for full movie backups. The set up is where the difficulty is. On a 56" HD TV it is worth every minute of your time it takes to set it up and the longer encode times.
    I don't know about the rest of you but my computer use to do nothing while I slept at night. Now it cranks out high quality DVD backups.
     
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    Hey swmiller, mine's on all nite cos i'm up talking in this forum. lol Tried your link, couldn't get it to work. Found a link for trial version for 2,000.00 SP. No need for that one cos no way I'm buying that. Is your link for basic? [​IMG]
    _X_X_X_X_X_[small][​IMG] [bold]GO VOLS![/bold]........Dell Media4600, XP home,Pentium 4 @2.80GHz/800Mz, 512MB, 280 HD w/8MB, 17" flat panel, AIO-A920, 8x DVD-ROM, integrated 5.1 audio, HP dc4000, Plextor PX-708UF[/small]
     
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    Speaking of taking too much time on this forum, I've got to take a break. As a teacher I have the entire summer off and I don't think it would be in my best interest to spend it all on afterdawn.
     
  13. brian100

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    Bigorange

    I know nothing about the new dual layer burners that are coming out. I do know that the blank media is going to be quite expensive, initially. The cost of bearing coasters may end up causing a suicidal effect on the user. I am going to sit back and let "others" experience all the new quirks & issues before, or even if, I adopt this new technology.

    To be totally blunt, I really can't see the need for dual layer at present. The vast majority of titles can be backed up, adequately, using the app's discussed on this thread. If I were you I would hang back (& hope you are outbid!) for the time being.

    Just my 2 cents.
     
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    I second that it's the same logic I used before I bought my PLextor.
     
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    I plan on waiting until they get the kinks worked out on dual layer burners as well as burner software compatibality.

    For my WD800JB 80 GB HD which I will put in a firewire case to use just for burning.

    It was a bare drive and did not have any software with it.
    Someone told me to use the MAX Floppie to format the drive as it would format it in nothing flat.

    Does anyone know where I might download this tool.

    Tom
     
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    I figured what the hey I only bid 100.00 and i read several revues that had high praise for it. I think if I got one for that I couldn't go to far off track. Even if it sits for a year. Of course with my luck, I'll have coasters and a paperweight...... [​IMG]
     
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    M8 I hope you win the auction, then you can do all the testing & report back :)(IE save me a laod of hassle). It sure is going to be interesting reading everyones experiences of this new format in the near future.
     
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    CCE Basic does have a trial version, but it's limited to to encoding 3 minutes of video. Since DVD Rebuilder breaks the movie up into pieces, that would still get you quite a bit of most movies (could be 12-15 minutes could be a lot more - it depends on the original DVD structure) but if you want to see the results with an entire movie you might want to download the trial version of CCE SP. It's much more advanced than the Basic version (and costs almost $2000) but if you use it with DVD Rebuilder and use the settings in the guide here at Afterdawn (see my signature), you should get pretty much the same picture you would with Basic and you can encode the whole movie. The limitation to the SP trial is that it puts a watermark in the corner of the screen, but for testing purposes it should give you a good sample of the quality you can expect from CCE Basic. Just make sure to change the CCE setting to CCE 2.67+ instead of CCE Basic 2.67+ in DVD Rebuilder.
     
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    Fortuantely they do single layer burns as well, so if you find yourself decorating your rec room with coasters, you can always go back to single layer burns
     
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