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  1. Doc409

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    big-o ... I was just trying to rattle your cage a bit with Vanderbuilt and La Tech. :) ...I was quite impressed with the schedule. Is ND a regular, or is this the first year?
     
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    We play them 3 years in a row every few years. In fact our last little session was our greatest comeback ever. Down 31 points, (I believe) in the 1st half, came back and won in the 2nd.

    It's real easy to jerk my chain with the VOLS. lol I'm sure you'll have many chances to do so in the coming months.
     
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    ...Only if they lose to Vanderbilt. In all seriousness, the Vols have a very tough schedule...especially if they have a lot of young talent. The Sooners have a good squad this year, but they don't have the demanding schedule the Vols do.

     
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    If they get by Nebraska, then I think the only thing that remains is Colorado and Pittsburgh.
     
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    @pop_smith

    The error you are getting indicates that you haven't setup properly... probably related to the location of MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL. Using Windows Media Player, open up one of the .AVS files in the D2VAVS directory. You will see that the strange frame size is actually an error message being produced by AVISYNTH.
     
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    @jdobbs ... is it a safe bet that whenever any "frame size" error appears that it is AviSynth related?
     
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    Yes. It is especially noticable because it will show a large horizontal number and a small vertical number.
     
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    Thanks. I'll get that into the FAQ's.
     
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    Actually you already have it there - sort of. It mentions a specific resolution, which is actually for a specific error. All you should need to to is change it to reflect other "strange" resolutions and it will be more accurate. Generally they're always 56 pixels high, but that might vary depending on whether AviSynth has any error messages that have more than one line of text.
     
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    vurbal ... thanks. I was aware of that one particular error, but I had been seeing other numbers show up with the "frame size error." It seems that they always got around to an AviSynth fix, and so I started to think I was seeing a pattern which could be generalized.

     
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    You could probably just generalize it to "Any Resolution Not Supported error from CCE" because CCE supports every resolution you could find on a correctly authored original.
     
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    I think the light just went on. So when you check AVS options in RB setup, and AviSynth isn't properly installed, AviSynth won't connect with CCE, thus the frame size error message?
     
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    That's almost correct. If it's not installed at all you should get an error about an unknown filetype. If something's wrong with the install, but AviSynth is still working enough to serve frames, it will normally give you an error message in the form of a video clip (typically 240 frames long). It can also be working correctly, but not find a plugin required to use a particular filter, and therefore there will be an error to that effect. In any case, since AviSynth is what sends the frames to CCE, the resolution CCE sees is whatever AviSynth sends it, and not from the original DVD which CCE wouldn't be able to read anyway. I'd probably recommend that the first part of any solution to one of these errors would be to open the AVS file in a media player so you can actually read the error. You should be able to figure out the exact problem based on that.
     
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    This is really good to know. I thought I would bring attention to it, as we are all learning more about the RB-CCE setup as we use it more. I'm also going to try to break down all this AviSynth info into an understandable Q & A format.
     
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    That would be great! AviSynth can be very complicated when you need to do complex things with it, but at it's core it's a very simple program that looks much worse than it is, simply because of it's interface (or lack of one). If you want to play with AviSynth, you might want to start by reading my AviSynth/AVSEdit guide. There are a couple of things I should change at some point, particularly in the examples for deinterlacing and denoising, but the general information is still good.

    http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/archive/avisynth_tutorial.cfm
     
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    I've been "working up" to AviSynth. I've been intimidated by it's lack of user friendliness. However, as the RB-CCE setup is giving me a foothold in understanding it, it may be a good time to try to get into it again. I know your guide will be a good start.

     
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    I started working on avisynth script a few weeks ago but lately I haven't had time to pursue it. I especially want to learn enough to start working with some of the plugins. Well got to go, I'm sneaking this one in from work.
     
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    I've been using AVISYNTH for a long time, and not just on DVD related material. It can do just about anything if you learn the syntax and the built-in features. You can even use it to measure differences or PSNR on video sources, split fields, add text titles, blend video, fade in/out... and the number of add-on filters is tremendous. The segmented AVI features are essential if you are working with DV sources.

    I LOVE AVISYNTH.
     
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    @jdobbs
    When i open a AVS file i get a error, it is:

    LoadPlugin: unable to load "C:\Documents and Settings\XXXXX\Desktop\dvd-rbv056\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll"
    (F:/Return of the King working dir\D2VAVS\V01000000001001.AVS)

    here is my .ini file in RB:
    [Paths]
    Working=F:\RETURN_OF_THE_KING WORKING DIR\
    CCENEW=
    MPEG2DEC=C:\Documents and Settings\XXXXXX\Desktop\dvd-rbv056\MPEG2Dec3dg.dll
    Source=C:\DOCUMENTS AND SETTINGS\XXXXXX\DESKTOP\LORD OF THE RINGS THE RETURN OF THE KING (BUTCHERED)\
    CCE250=
    CCEBasic=F:\Cinema Craft Encoder Basic\cct2.exe
    REJIG=
    [Options]
    EncoderMinimized=1
    LoadPlugin=1
    RemoveDTS=0
    OneClick=1
    NoWarn=1
    AudioDub=0
    idct7Opt=1
    CCETargetSectors=2260000
    CCE=2
    [Setup]
    Languages=1111111111111111111111110111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
    Languages=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
    sLanguages=1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
    [CCEOptions]
    VBR_bias=30
    Quality_prec=28
    eclPasses=4

    I did notice that my "MPEG2DEC.dll" file is pointing to dvd-rbv056 and i am now using .057, would changing the number from 056 to 057 fix the problem? I will try it and get back with everyone.
     
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    Just make sure that directory exists and that MPEG2DEC3DG.DLL is in it (one of the two is almost positively false). The name really doesn't matter.
     
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