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Why are TV's not having P-I-P anymore............. ?

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by dabig25, Oct 13, 2006.

  1. Largarto_

    Largarto_ Guest

    Well, LCD projection units and DLP BOTH have bulbs to be replaced with life expectancy of approximately 6000 hours. Of course the SXRD unit is actually an LCOS, not LCD projection and the replacement bulb is a bit higher in price than the previously mentioned items and has the same approximate life span.

    Also, DLP can offer true 1080P. True LCDs offer 1080p but, not the SONY LCD projection units, although the SXRD LCOS units do offer 1080p.

    IMO, the DLP offers better performance than the LCD projection units.
     
  2. dabig25

    dabig25 Regular member

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    I just came back from CC & am trn between 2 TV's.

    First is the Sony LCD KDS50A2000 on sale for $2199. Have had my eye on it for a few weeks.

    The 2nd is the Samsung SAM HLS5687W 56 in. on sale for $2079.

    The picture on the Samsung looked better. When viewing both sets at angle, the Samsung had a better picture as well.

    Anybody have any suggestions or opinions between the two.

    Seems like w/ the Samsung you get more for what you pay for.

    I need some input, I maybe making my purchase tomorrow.


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    http://www.circuitcity.com/ccd/home.do
     
  3. Largarto_

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    I agree that the off center viewing on my Samsung DLP is much better than the Sony LCD.
    I think that the LCOS (Liquid Crystal On Silicon) which is actually a JVC D-ILA improves on the motion problems of older LCD projection versus DLP but, I still think the DLP is the better value for better performance.
     
  4. BluRay

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    I think everyone should start to say goodbye to P-I-P.

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    Farewell
     
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  5. dabig25

    dabig25 Regular member

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    Yeah the picture quality on the Samsung was better. The colors looked more richer
     
  6. Largarto_

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    Of course the store credit you’ve got will be unique.
    A free opportunity to upgrade to a new set is pretty cool. That should help offset the dropping price syndrome.

    I got a killer price at the time on mine but, just a few months later and it’s 30% cheaper now, arggghhh.

    And 56” is always better than 50” (as long as your room’s big enough, heh heh).
     
  7. dabig25

    dabig25 Regular member

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    Largato

    I'll be watching my TV from about 12 feet away. 56 won't be too big will it ?

    Not too big of a room.
     
  8. Largarto_

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    According to Ced’s research in another thread, 12’ is too far from a 56”. While those figures are initially correct for viewing the entire screen at once, at length (time) viewing sessions prove different.

    I prefer a ratio of no closer than about 7-8’ on a 42-46” and so on. Only because in a true 1920x1080i broadcast (Football to Die for!) the difference in resolution can be so overwhelming that over an extended period of time it can cause some people to have headaches, eye strain, etc.

    The transition from the typical up-converted lower resolution to a True HD broadcast sometimes feels like a visual shockwave, but that’s just me.

    And while 1080p is the new top dog, it’s hard to imagine a more intense viewing level than 1080i, when an input becomes available (blu-ry/hd-dvd, OTA). Then, I guess I'd have to back up more.
     
  9. dabig25

    dabig25 Regular member

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    Largato

    I currently have a 51 inch big screen & it seems fine.

    It's just that the 50 inch. looked much smaller than what I have now.

    So that's why I was thinking about the 56 inch.
     
  10. Jerry746

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    You could always wait for one of these, LOL.

    Mitsubishi Laser TV Coming 2007 Technology News, Electronics Buy Guide and Gadget Review Mitsubishi will show the first Laser projection TV set end of this week.

    Instead of white-light mercury lamps a Laser TV uses a red, blue and green laser to generate images. The advantages are bright and deep images on large, thin, lightweight screens.
    Apparently the first commercial Laser HDTV will go on sale in 2007.

    Jerry
     
  11. Largarto_

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    Is your, or was your (not working?) 51” capable of the higher (or the same) resolution as the new ones your looking at. I was just saying that you should factor in the resolution level with the distance.

    I sorta had help on my decision. Five minutes before the big game started, the screen went blank. So, I headed for the biggest retailer display and watched it on 60 plus HD screens…it was so good, I grabbed some food and stayed for another game!

    It helped a lot and strangely enough, no one thought me creepy. :)
     
  12. dabig25

    dabig25 Regular member

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    Yeah my 51" went out. I got store credit for I paid for it.

    So that's why I'm in the market again to get another big screen.
     
  13. cracktech

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    Just came across this thread by chance. I used to work at an LCD/Plasma TV ODM factory in Malaysia. We use SAMSUNG Plasma panels with our own driver boards and software.

    It is NOT true that PIP, POP (pic-on-Pic) is to be phased out.I strongly belief that for back projection TV, it is a matter of end-of-life issue and the compulsory addition of ATSC tuners for the US market.
    New model development are currently focussed in the hotly contested LCD and Plasma models.
    Any modern TV (lcd/Plasma) has many inputs SCART/S-Vid, RGB,DVI-D, RCA ect. The electronics cost and the software to enable these TV's to have PIP,PoP is very negligible.The same video CODECS are used.All refrence softwares coming from Asia for these type of TV have PiP/PoP. The designers would NOT even consider touching any software without PiP/PoP.
    For the US market it is normal to have two tuners ATSC and the NTSC.
    Technically it doesn't make sense for manuf. to NOT have PiP/PoP.

    I "suspect" that it is the end-of-life issue which does not make it viable to pursue the PiP course for Back-projection and CRT TV. Retailers n manuf. in Asia are offloading back projection for Plasma and LCD in that order.
    Leaving CRT/Back projection tech for China/India and other 3rd world countries.
    Just to share my info. with you all.Don't buy back projection TV and don't touch any TV without PiP/PoP.
     
  14. Largarto_

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    Well, 34 posts and we're back to PIP-less. :)

    Sounds like a good thing...inexpensive technology becomes popular, causing higher production, lower prices and profit margins, sending production to more efficient areas, but also drawing down the price of more expensive plasmas. Competition is good for us all, eh?
     
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    @ cracktech

    Good read. I just can't spend that much on a big screen that does have P-I-P, from what you're saying ( say a Plasma ).

    P-I-P is not that important to me much anymore, didn't use it much anyways. Only once in awhile to watch 2 different sporting events & that's it.

    Whats most important to me is Picture Quality.
     
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    I only bought my 42" plasma a short while ago,and it has P-I-P
     
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    bought a 19" Samsung SM940MW today, it is simply awesome. Am sat surfing on it now with the TV in a small window (PIP), the PIP has 2 different sizes.
     
  18. dabig25

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    Got my Sony SXRD KDS55A2000.

    LOVE IT !!

    Got a question, for some who has a KDS series.

    It has 2 HDMI inputs. 1 has HDMI input w/ R & L for audio.

    The other does not have a R & L for audio.

    Can I hook up my DVR/HD cable box to the one w/ no R & L & still have audio, thru HDMI only ?
     
  19. P2P2P

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    I have the R72 32" Samsung LCD and it has PIP although as mentioned in a previous post you need a different source to use it. eg You can use your PC on the full screen and watch TV in the small screen but I don't think you can do it the other way around so if I wanted 2 tv pics I'd have to use my PC's tv card for the main pic and the tv's PIP function as the small pic.
     
  20. ChiknLitl

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    Hey Dabig...Does your T.V. have what Sony calls "freeze frame"? I have the 60" with this feature and found it to be absolutely useless. For those of you that don't know what it is...it alows you to freeze a frame of the program you are watching and splits the screen between the running program and the still image. If they go to the trouble of allowing you to split the screen, how much harder would it be to give you true PiP? The only use for this feature I can think of is for the money shots in porno movies! LOL!
     

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