Sony and Discovery Communications have announced a new Blu-ray-based promotion in which all buyers of Sony standalone Blu-ray players will receive a free, exclusive Blu-ray title from Discovery. The promotion will begin on October 5th and is for "a limited time only." Over 11,000 retailers are paricipating in the promotion including Sears, Circuit City and Sony Style, and when purchasing ...
Read full articleOriginally posted by glassd:I don't think she's referring to BluRay specifically. This device-specific DRM also applies to XBOX Live Marketplace, PS3 Downloads, Apple TV etc. A great majority of BluRay standalones are profile 1.0 or 1.1 and aren't even connected to the internet so it doesn't apply to these machines. Besides, not everyone is opting to put BD+ on their titles. It's mostly the Fox releases that have it - the others don't.
Varnull. I am not being a jerk. (I usually am) Your statement "The current thinking is you will only be able to watch a new purchased movie on an approved machine with an internet connection so it can get approval to play from some server somewhere." I dont know who's current thinking that is or where they got it from. Some new Blu-Ray movies do require a firmware up date. We do not have to have our player connected to the internet to get the up date. I can get the update on a thumb drive at work, home PC, where ever. Every Blu movie that I have bought so far is still mine & I can keep it, re-watch it, sell it. This is as far away from renting as it gets. I am sorry but I just cant see your side.
Originally posted by Hunt720:
I have yet to find a BD film that requires me to have my PS3 connected online in order to play. I have read quite a bit on how people have been able to rip BDs and save the data for future playback. The consumer circumvention of BD DRM is still quite young. ... but with recorders dropping in price slowly, I can see people treating BD DRM the same way we treat DVD DRM in the coming years. To me, that is how you show the idiots that create DRM they are wasting their time.... its probably more effective than complaining in the comments section on a news article for a product you dont even own.
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This is a classic Manchurian Candidate strategy. These devices behave like normal gear until the studios pull the trigger, then they turn on you. The studios talk a big game about wanting to operate in a free market, but then you get stuff like this: back-room deals, restraint of trade, and attempts to subvert the market by fooling customers into buying crippled kit.
Originally posted by 13thHouR:I'll hold you to that nobrainer.
reduce the price of the hardware and media to that of current DVD's and i will take you up on your offer sony,
Originally posted by junankerr:whatever.
I'll hold you to that nobrainer.
Tell you what, when a name brand player gets to $99 or below and new releases get to $15 a pop, I'll personally start a collection from the BD owners here so we can send you the money to buy your gear. It shouldn't take too long - probably by Black Friday next year.
Originally posted by 13th:don't worry about the cash i'm going to copywrite fart sounds and make a fortune:-)
Ok give me the ability to back up my media without having to pay anyone for the privilege, remove the HDMI DRM (HDCP) so i can use what ever screen i want to and not be forced into purchasing new gear because you say i have to purchase a new Bravia, quit it with the phone home snooping, never implement online checks or media locks to single devices, reduce the price of the hardware and media to that of current DVD's and i will take you up on your offer sony, but NO one blu-ray from discovery will ever make me purchase anything.
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Musician Mike Batt had paid a six-figure sum to settle a bizarre dispute over who owns copyright to a silent musical work.
Originally posted by juankerr:Sure, count me in for $20. Let's get nobrainer a nice Panasonic.
Originally posted by 13thHouR:I'll hold you to that nobrainer.
reduce the price of the hardware and media to that of current DVD's and i will take you up on your offer sony,
Tell you what, when a name brand player gets to $99 or below and new releases get to $15 a pop, I'll personally start a collection from the BD owners here so we can send you the money to buy your gear. It shouldn't take too long - probably by Black Friday next year.
Originally posted by ematrix:
13thHouR and varnull, I'm with you. Just one thought to add... if we are and have been paying premium prices for DVD and BD newly released movies, shouldn't they be DRM-free? I can understand and even approve that DVD and BD movies intended for rentals should contain some form of DRM, after all you're kinda borrowing it for a fee and for a limited time, yet when it cames to actually paying to own a copy, regardless if DRM doesn't prevent you from viewing the movie, still we shouldn't be paying premium for DRM content, when it should be the opposite.
That's something that the record industry has finally understood, that they can achieve grander results when approaching a consumer-friendly attitude, yet because of greed, stubborness or fear, the movie industry doesn't. My point is that if you're going to rent a movie or buy a copy for a low fee, yet the condition is that should contain some form of DRM, that's fine by me and sure some people will find it appealing for the price, but when it cames to actually paying premium prices for movies, shouldn't they be DRM-free?
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In July 2006, Cory Doctorow published an analysis of the anti-competitive nature of Apple's iTunes copy-restriction system that looked at the benefits of restrictive DRM for the company that controls it. The only reason I can imagine why Microsoft would put its programmers, device vendors, third-party developers, and ultimately its customers, through this much pain is because once this copy protection is entrenched, Microsoft will completely own the distribution channel. In the same way that Apple has managed to acquire a monopolistic lock-in on their music distribution channel (an example being the Motorola ROKR fiasco, which was so crippled by restrictions that a Fortune magazine senior editor reviewed it as the STNKER), so Microsoft will totally control the premium-content distribution channel. In fact examples of this Windows content lock-in are already becoming apparent as people move to Vista and find that their legally-purchased content won't play any more under Vista (the example given in the link is particularly scary because the content actually includes a self-destruct after which it won't play any more, so not only do you need to re-purchase your content when you switch from XP to Vista, but you also need to re-purchase it periodically when it expires. In addition since the media rights can't be backed up, if you experience a disk crash you get another opportunity to re-purchase the content all over again. This is by design: as Jack Valenti, former head of the MPAA, put it, “If you buy a DVD you have a copy. If you want a backup copy you buy another one”). It's obvious why this type of business model makes the pain of pushing content protection onto consumers so worthwhile for *said company* since it practically constitutes a license to print money.
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Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.
Originally posted by glassd:Now that sounds just like the miss direction of Big Media's Public Relations Spin Tools. If they can get everyone to purchase the same media over and over again they get profit from media that has already been paid for many times over, it's called "money for old rope".
ematrix. I think that there is a difference between buying the movie and paying to experience the movie. If you bought Pirates of the Caribbean 3 for $150,000,000 which is what it cost to make, then you would have a pretty good argument that you should be able to do what ever you wanted to do with it. I paid $30 for it on Blu-Ray. I'm not worried about my disk getting damaged because I take care of my stuff. I honestly don't think that studios really care if you make a backup but we all know what most really want. Most want someone to copy it and put on a file sharing site so they can get it for free.
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Gabriel asked if it was wrong for consumers to make copies of music which they have purchased, even just one copy. Pariser replied, "When an individual makes a copy of a song for himself, I suppose we can say he stole a song." Making "a copy" of a purchased song is just "a nice way of saying 'steals just one copy'," she said.
Quote:This is good since the Sony BDP-S350 just got the 010 Firmware update which makes it officially BD-Live 2.0 capable (as promised).
The promotion will begin on October 5th and is for "a limited time only." Over 11,000 retailers are paricipating in the promotion including Sears, Circuit City and Sony Style, and when purchasing a Sony standalone you will be given a coupon redeemable for the Discovery BD. The disc will have episodes of Fearless Planet and Sunrise Earth which are nomally seen on Discovery’s HD Theater network.
Originally posted by bdoggie08:thanks for your opinion it's been taken onboard and fully digested.
Hey Nobrainer, would you please stop spamming AD with your biased opinions, I am so sick of your crap-one of these days ur going to get banned again..oh wait-how many times have you been banned from AD anyways? Oh wait..so its happened before right? So that is why your credibility isn't worth anybody's time here right? That's what I thought. Stop...BAN Hammer-time!
Originally posted by bdoggie08:
Hey Nobrainer, would you please stop spamming AD with your biased opinions, I am so sick of your crap-one of these days ur going to get banned again..oh wait-how many times have you been banned from AD anyways? Oh wait..so its happened before right? So that is why your credibility isn't worth anybody's time here right? That's what I thought. Stop...BAN Hammer-time!
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