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Discussion in 'DVDR' started by bcakt6, Sep 2, 2004.

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  1. xklante

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    One more use now now everytime that DVD Shrink start comes with an error "DVD Shrink encoutered an error and cannot continue-Programming error-Exception ocurred" I uninstalled and reinstalled(latest version) it and still get the same error. What the @#@$% is going on? What went wrong? Help Please anyone...Frustrated ...
    Xklante
     
  2. nailedny

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    Hey Guys, Thank you thank you thank you!! But my burner is not a sony...it is MICRO ADVANTAGE??? I went to microadvantage.net and there is firmware there dated Aug 2004. here are the specs...
    DVD±RW 8X Superdrive
    8x DVD+R/ 4x DVD-R Write, 4x DVD+RW/2x DVD-RW Rewrite speed, 12X DVD-ROM Read speed
    40X CD-R, 24X CD-RW Write/Rewrite speed, 40X CD-ROM Read speed
    Supports easy drag & drop function
    Maintains the compatibility with CD-R/RW writing
    Equipped with MTKSuperLink to prevent buffer underrun errors for CD & DVD writing
    Bundled with an extensive software package(Roxio which I removed)
    Pete, I did print out all the directions. My settings are just as you described. And don't you dare run away, I appreciate both your imput. Plus I think I've scared the s--t out of big, with my ranting and raving. He doesn't want to do this on his own. So what can you tell me about my burner and I am not sure about the other things you told me to do. I will print those directions and take it from there. Anything else you can tell me would really help.
    Thanks!!
     
  3. nailedny

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    Xklante,
    I was having the same problem, and believe me I am still having many, I haven't even made 1 dvd yet But Pete told me to clean the dvd with alcohol and it worked. I saved them to my folder no problem I just can't get them to copy using decrypter. I don't have Nero.
    Good Luck!!




     
  4. Newfee

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    Wow...looks like you got your hands full Scuba...lots of Newbies lookin for your advice...I can try to help, but remember all...most of your answers are out there in the threads...just be patient and look around...let me see if I can help though.

    Jockey747....
    This is from Scuba in an earlier thread...

    Have you checked to see if you're in DMA or PIO mode ?

    Hope that helps some.

    Device manager, IDE, your burner, advanced properties -

    http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/IDE-DMA.mspx

    You want DMA.

    You can always uninstall your burner and let windows find it again.

    Also, do a Defrag and most importantly, clean up your registry - that will slow you down no matter what else you've done -

    http://www.download.com/3000-2094-881470.html?tag=list

    Check your ASPI LAYER -

    http://aspi.radified.com/

    Recheck your Firmware -

    http://forum.rpc1.org/dl_all.php

    Check out this thread... http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/111108

     
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  5. jockey747

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    Hi Newfee,
    thanks for replyinh. I am using a DVD writer.
    I don't have an ASPI layer installed on my system.
    I downloaded ForceASPI1.7 and tried installing ASPi layer by following the procedusr but everytime i check after installng and rebooting,the aspicheck shows that I dnt have ASPI layer.
    please tell me how can i install it and how important is it to have an ASPI layer for cd or dvd burning?.

    thanks
     
  6. nailedny

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    I checked my ASPI layer too and the message I am getting is: Error:ASPI is not properly installed.
    Now what does that mean and how do I fix it?
    Thanks everyone
     
  7. nailedny

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    Here is the scoop,
    I returned the MICRO Advantage, Got a PLextor PX-712A
    and installed it. Checked the settings on DVDShrink and DVDdecrypter, all was good, I am backing up as we speak. Keep your fingers crossed. I need to get a life. AND as you know, I will be back.......
     
  8. jakdaripa

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    First, I want to thank everyone for the informative post. I too am a newbie and wanted to learn how to copy dvds. I patiently sought all the answers to my ?'s via this forum after d/l decrypter & shrink. I was able to burn my first dvd and it felt great!! Then, I started making coasters,lol! Kept searching for answers..found them. I was using Sony media -R Bought Verbatim -R and havn't had a coaster since. To all newbies: take the time to search for your answers! maybe an hour of reading will save you 6 hours of coasters, lol. Thanks Scubapete for your quick guide also!! Jackdaripper: Laptop Presario x1000, 1.6ghz pent.4, 512mb ram, 30gig int.& 250gig ext. harddrive, sony drx-700ul dvd/cd-rw
     
  9. gimpie

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    Scuba Pete, or someone else who may know.

    First I give some mad props for your guide as it made things easy to do.

    I read your guide with dvd decrypter and DVD Shrink and managed to make a working backup of my first DVD. The problem is that it took DVD shrink about 12 hours to encode the video. Is this normal? I am using a Prostar 2.0 ghz PIV with 512 ddr ram. 40gb toshiba hard drive and NEC 6500-A DL burner. The burner burned at 2x to 8x and only took 13minutes to burn.

    Is there anyway to speed up the process? There was no other programs running in the background and I slept as it did it, but this seems like a really long time.

    Thanks, gimpie
     
  10. ScubaPete

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    cdaug66,


    You should create a folder for your DVD backup before hand. This is the place on your HD where DVD Shrink will work on your movie files and DVD Decrypter can pick them up to burn to disc. Try to put it someplace where you won't forget it - i.e. C:\All DVD work/ Sleeping Beauty Kills Bill, needs Anger Management , that way you can "Open Files" in DVD Shrink and "Browse" until you find your VIDEO_TS Folder.

    Some programs may only give you your Bup's, .Ifo's and .Vob's files) in a loose pack. If the files are loose, then you must create a folder for them, and that folder must be titled, yes, you have it it's - -> VIDEO_TS, written exactly like that, in CAP's. When all the files are in that folder you can easily feed it to DVD Shrink.

    Let's see if that helps,

    "P"


    Hi jockey747,


    A friend of mine has the same processor and 512RAM and it takes all night for his PC to process and burn a DVD. You are so low on RAM, I suggest you go to msconfig and "click" "Disable all" and I mean EVERYTHING - it won't hurt anything but you'll need every scrap of your resources to backup a DVD and NO, you won't even be able to touch your keyboard. All the times you're reading about are pple who have PC's more like mine (check my sig.). I'm hoping you have enough RAM to do the job if you do, it will take forever. First chance you get, you need more RAM. 512 of RAM isn't that expensive but if you're going to keep it and want to backup DVD's it's a MUST !

    Read up on this: http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device/storage/IDE-DMA.mspx

    I suggest whole-heartedly that you free up some more HD. You really need between 8 to 10GB of HD space to backup a DVD. If you don't have enough your PC will "CRASH" (Oooohhh Boy is that not good :(

    Let's try to answer the question, "Why do I have to encode to my Hard Drive (HD) ?"

    Think of it like you're making a Peanut butter and Jelly sandwich. Everything you need is in one place, the cupboard. All your DVD files are in one place, the original DVD.

    You need a place to put all your ingredients, the Bread, Peanut butter and the Jelly - so that you can assemble them into a sandwich, you use the kitchen table. You need a place to put all the *IFO, *BUP and *VOB files you are taking from the original DVD, you need to assemble them into a VIDEO_TS folder OR you need to put them all together into an *ISO image, you need a place to work, you need the HD.

    You assemble your sandwich putting your Peanut butter and your Jelly into two pieces of bread. When you are finished you can one of two things. First, you can leave all the "Fixens" on then table to make another sandwich sometime later OR, you can put it all away and have your table clear again. In DVD backup, we needed the HD to lay out all the IFO, BUP and VOB files and then to assemble them into a folder called your VIDEO_TS folder OR to put them all together onto an ISO image. When you are finished you can do one of two things. First, we could leave them on the HD to make another backup DVD later OR we can have them in a temporary folder to be deleted and have our HD space clear again.

    In a nutshell, you have to write the files you're working with to your HD. The work you're doing cannot be done in "cyber-space."

    So, back to our original question - If you want to do a backup of an original DVD you'll have to backup your DVD to your HD in order to work on it to make your backup disc.

    You can copy a backup copy (copy a copy) "on the fly" (without involving your HD) because it's already decrypted and processed to fit on a single disc.

    Now that you know why, you can forget about that nasty old question and you can follow the bread crumbs back through the forest till you arrive safe and sound back in your own little bed. :)

    Goodnight now and pleasant dreams :p)



    xklante,

    Duuuuhh, Yep, I should be able too even with my old eyes - (sorry) Your PC is just fine :)

    It looks like you're working with one of the few DVD's that DVD Shrink has trouble ripping. Let's rip this Bad Boy with DVD Decrypter in the "File" Mode, then follow the directions above for putting the files in the VIDEO_TS Folder and getting them with DVD Shrink (Open Files).

    Cheers,

    "P"



    Hi pernes, Welcome to aD

    When you edit your movies with DVD Shrink (trimming them so you can do just the "Movies only") you lose all your menus.

    If you wan extra menus, use DVDLab OR TMPGEnc DVD Author to do your work OR if you wish to just maintain your movie menus use Nero's recode 2 OR DVD2One.

    DVDLab -

    http://www.mediachance.com/dvdlab/

    TMPGEnc DVD Author -

    http://www.softpedia.com/public/cat/3/3/3-3-30.shtml

    TMPGEnc DVD Author would be PERFECT for doing 2 discs on 1 with menus

    You will need the two films ripped into separate folders AND READY FOR BURNING I suggest using DVD Decrypter in the "File" mode. (NOTE: DO NOT SHRINK/COMPRESS THE FILMS).

    Use DVD Author to create the DVD Structure, menus and all - ignore the warning about size, and save to a folder on your HD. Make sure you can find the folder (Lol).

    Using DVD Shrink, Grab your files (using "Open files" in Shrink, compress to size and fry to a golden brown using your favorite burner :)


    If you have Nero, here is a guide for recode 2 (until I can write one (Lol) -

    http://www.ahead.de/us/index.html

    Here's DVBD2One -

    http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/dvd-r_tools/dvd2one.cfm

    2 Discs on 1 using DVD2One in the "Join" mode.
    The join mode is a very powerful new feature of DVD2one. It can be used for many things:
    · Joining a movie that has been spread over 2 sides of a disk (aka "flipper") or even over 2 disks.
    · Joining of different episodes of a (TV) series on 1 disk.
    · Adding a music video, documentary or Featurette after the main movie.
    · Adding an intro (for instance THX or Dolby) before the main movie.
    · Or any combination of the above possibilities !
    The join mode is not limited to only 2 titles, but it can join any number of titles on 1 disk. Of course the total size of the titles you want to join has its limits. DVD2one has built-in warning messages to let you know when you go to far.
    The join mode has 2 different modes:
    · Seamless. The separate titles are joined in 1 titleset, and will play continuously without interruption.
    · Non-seamless. Each title is put in its own titleset, and there will be a small delay when the player goes from one to the other title.
    The seamless mode is the perfect mode for joining a movie that has been spread over different sides or disks. DVD2one will examine automatically whether the different titles can be seamless joined together. For this the video, audio and subtitles need to be the same.

    The non-seamless mode will work with any title, and can be used in all other cases. DVD2one provides convenient ways to skip through the different title sets.
    How to use
    The join mode is very simple to use, since it works like a repeated movie-only mode. After selecting the first title you come to a summary screen. Here you can select another title you like to add to the list, or start processing. If you select to join another title, you will advance through the selection screens again. The only difference is when using seamless mode, you do not have to select audio, subtitle and angle. The selection for these items is taken from the title to which the new title is seamlessly joined.
    Advanced Navigation Mode
    This new feature is experimental and may not work correctly with specific DVD players, or may have some unwanted side effects. It is recommended to try it first with a re-writable disk. It adds the following ways to navigate between the different title sets:
    · Right menu button for next titleset.
    · Left menu button for previous titleset.
    · Next chapter at the last chapter of a title goes to the next titleset.
    · Previous chapter at the first chapter of a title goes to the previous titleset.
    The menu button system may interfere with subtitles. Also if a titleset does not have subtitles, a dummy subtitle is added to make this feature to work.

    Cheers,

    Pete



    nailedny and jockey747,

    Newfee has kindly included a previous post of mine dealing with an ASPI Layer - Guys, ya need one ! Iffin youse don't have one, get your trusty .38 Smith & Wesson snub-nose, a few extra shells (in case there's a shootout) and head on down to your local ASPI store and steal you one - - What, . . . Wha . . NO ! . . REALLY ? Hey, guys, hold on a minute, I was just told you can get an ASPI layer FREE, no gun play necessary, ain't that a hoot - an the last time de ScubaPete needed one I hadda shoot 3 women, a baby, 3 "Barbie Dolls" and an attacking 3-wheeled baby stroller to get mine - Golly are you guys lucky -

    Off ya go then, get you a working ASPI layer and make sure your Firmware is up-to-date - HEY THERE, NAILEDNY, YA HEAR ? Get you that Firmware you told me about, it'll always help -

    Cheers, all


    jakdaripa,

    Now that you're doing well, that doesn't mean it's time for you to leave - this is a give and take kind of deal - we had fun with you, now you get to have some fun yourself :)

    It's people like you who make this site work - You've seen how we work and, you see we had fun doing it -

    Now it's your turn, stop back when you're free and help someone else - You'll have fun and a chance to learn some more, (teaching is a learning experience too you know) the people you help will appreciate it and it will make you feel better :)

    Then you can "Welcome" them into our little Club :D

    We hope to see you around when you're not having problems to solve -

    You'll find us hanging out, over there by the water cooler under the potted palm, chewing the fat and trying to help the next Newbie with the weight of the burning world upon their shoulders -

    We'll be looking for you -

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
  11. ScubaPete

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    gimpie,

    Sorry I missed your post -

    You can speed the process way up by "un-ticking" Deep Analysis" and "un-ticking" "Quality Enhancements"

    Re-check this thread and check your DMA / PIO settings, your firmware and your ASPI layer (although I think your ASPI is fine as the disc came out well).

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
  12. gimpie

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    ScubaPete,

    Thanks, I will give that a try as soon as my wife lets me have the computer back for awhile. When I did the first backup, i ripped it with decrypter and then used shrink to write it to an .iso file. Then I used decrypter to burn it. Does it take longer for shrink to write an iso file instead of creating files in a VIDEO_TS folder?

    gimpie
     
  13. ScubaPete

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    probably the same amount of time whether it's an ISO file or a VIDEO_TS Folder, check the things I mentioned, Also clean your PCs registry and do a Defrag as they'll slow your system down also -

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
  14. s_jensen

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    Thanks Pete! Your guide helped me a lot. Burning dvd's could not have been any easier.
     
  15. gimpie

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    Scubapete,

    Okay, took the time to clean the heat sink of my laptop, it seems to collect dust really quick, causing my laptop to get quite hot. After doing that it took approx 40min to analyze and 85 min to encode. I think these times are much better. this was at 62% compression of Return of the Jedi, it seems like the copy looks really good as I am watching it right now. I will try the other things you suggested as well.

    Thanks-gimpie
     
  16. nailedny

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    SCUBAPETE
    Just wanted to let you know all is well here. I told you a previos post that I replaced that burner with a plextor and I've backed up 3 dvd's. I am so excited!!! Life is good. Thanks for all your help, I'll be back.
     
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    Way to go -

    Now that you're doing well, that doesn't mean it's time for you to leave - this is a give and take kind of deal - we had fun with you, now you get to have some fun yourself :)

    It’s people like you who make this site work - You've seen how we work and, you see we had fun doing it -

    Now it's your turn, stop back when you're free and help someone else - You'll have fun and a chance to learn some more, (teaching is a learning experience too you know) the people you help will appreciate it and it will make you feel better :)

    Then you can “Welcome” them into our little Club :D

    We hope to see you around when you're not having problems to solve -

    You'll find us hanging out, over there by the water cooler under the potted palm, chewing the fat and trying to help the next Newbie with the weight of the burning world upon their shoulders -

    We'll be looking for you -

    Cheers,

    Pete
     
  18. Fawks

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    hey im kinda new to this stuff and i was wondering how do u know which dvd's are copy protected like i just burnt van helsing with dvdsanta, shouldnt that be protected.
    tell me if this was a waste post

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    fawks,

    most movies nowadays are copy protected(with a rare exception here and there). I am not familiar with DVDSanta's properties having never used it, nor have i seen van helsing, but there's one of 4 things happening.

    1) DVDSanta can rip the dvd
    2) you have an on the fly tool running in the background ie. anydvd,dvd43,dvdregion free, etc.
    3) you ripped it to your hard drive with another ripper like decrypter,shrink, etc.
    4) it's not encrypted.

    you can run shrink or decrypter and they will tell you if the movie's encrypted. They are both free and found here in aD. They can also rip, compress, edit, and burn using the 2 together to back up a dvd. :)
     
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    Fawks, Welcome to aD -

    DVDSanta can't rip a DVD so you either ripped it first OR downloaded it - when you download a movie from the Net it's already ripped for you (saving you an extra step :)

    If you want to backup a DVD you have at home OR that you've rented, you'll have to use a ripper first before you can use DVD Santa. DVD Decrypter is free and requires a couple of key strokes, AnyDVD is a really good "behind the scenes" ripping proggy OR DVD43 can be used for free -

    Here's the links -

    DVD43 (FREE) and Patin-Cauffin drivers need for it are about the center of the page -

    http://www.mrbass.org/dvdrip/

    DVBD Decrypter (FREE) -

    http://www.dvddecrypter.com/

    AnyDVD (21-day FREE trial, then $$$$) -

    http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html

    Lastly, a program that is more than just a ripper but because of it's price (FREE), needs to be mentioned. It is DVD Shrink. DVD Shrink can rip a DVD, allowing you to edit it (if you wish) AND, it can be used to compress a large DVD to fit on a single blank DVD disc automatically and quickly. It doesn't require any background to operate and uses just 3 or 4 mouse clicks to accomplish it all. Since it is FREE, you might just want to check it out –

    http://www.dvdshrink.org/

    A simple guide can be found here, about mid-page:

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/74599

    Files from DVD Shrink can be used by DVD Santa -

    Enjoy and Cheers,

    Pete


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