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Can I burn a Blu-Ray to a DVD?

Discussion in 'Blu-ray players' started by taylor001, Apr 2, 2008.

  1. taylor001

    taylor001 Member

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    Ok so I can rip blu-ray now w/o a problem expect I only have BD read drive. So is it possible to shrink the BD to fit a dvd with a lower quality. Also is there a way to watch the blu-ray off my HDD. I have PowerDVD. Thanks Chris!
     
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  3. tripplite

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    arg and i was about to log off two.....

    to shrink use TsRemux to shrink your blu ray backups to a smaller size:)

    to watch with AC3 track with the m2ts, this ...this is golden!
    use mediacoder
    http://mediacoder.sourceforge.net/
    you can use that to bring it to a MP3/AVI file for you to view!

    to watch with a DTS track with the m2ts, i suggest loading the m2ts files into VirtualDubMod (note: set to Xvid-24bit-5Mb/s compression) which will convert them to AVI , this will leave you with about 6gbs of files (including DTS audio, so you'll have a combo of the DTS files and your newly encoded AVI files), you then watch them with just about any media player.... i hate to break it to you at the moment this is the only working method i have found for DTS audio, it leaves you with about 3 gigs of video and 2-3 gigs of audio....

    http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=65889

    and if am not making sense you should defiantly see this!
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
    read through it and your might not even have anymore questions on the subject LOL

    -tripplite
     
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  4. taylor001

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    So I am really a noob, How do I shink it with TsRemux? Which streams do I keep? Basicly just interested in coverting a BD into a DVD. Thanks!
     
  5. Ryu77

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    Here are your best steps to recompress a Blu-ray disc to fit onto a DVD-9 (BD-9) or DVD-5 (BD-5)...

    1) Load your main movie file into tsMuxeR. It will usually be the biggest file in this directory: BDMV\STREAM\00000.m2ts.

    2) Demux the desired streams (advisable to select regular Dolby Digital (AC3) or DTS. Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD Master Audio/High Resolution Audio or PCM 5.1 (uncompressed audio) are going to inflate final file size too much.

    3) Remux video only (no audio) into MKV or MP4 container (MeGUI, YAMB or MKVtoolnix are recommended). This step is not 100% necessary but I use it to increase compatibility with different encoding applications (or AVIsynth).

    4) Use a bitrate calculator to work out final file size. Don't forget to take your audio stream into consideration. You will also need to add 6% for the M2TS/Blu-ray headers (this container has quite a lot of information stored as the nature of the Blu-ray format can be quite complicated).

    5) Re-encode the video, I would recommend h264/AVC. MeGUI, Nero Recode, RipBot264 etc. are some applications I would recommend (if you're using MeGUI, grab the x264 Blu-ray profiles from the page I linked to at the bottom of this post). At this point you will also need to decide if you wish to use a DTS audio stream or an AC3 (Dolby Digital) audio stream. If you are using a DTS audio stream, you will need to make sure that you do not crop the borders (the resolution must be 720p:1280 x 720 or 1080p:1920 x 1080). If you are using AC3, it is safe to crop the borders if you wish.

    Note: The reason for the borders is that a M2TS media file can play at any resolution. However, A M2TS media file can only play AC3 on PS3 or Blu-ray stand alone (PC is different though). Blu-ray output supports DTS. If you try to author Blu-ray output with a resolution not conforming to the Blu-ray standard, you will get green bars on the screen during playback.

    Also, if you wish to use multiple audio tracks and/or switchable subtitles, you will need to author to Blu-ray instead of a raw M2TS media file.



    Now the next part will have two options depending if you wish to use AC3 or DTS (or multiple audio tracks, switchable subtitles etc.).



    For AC3 (and one audio track, no switchable subtitles)...

    1) If you need to re-encode DTS to AC3, you can use EAC3toGUI to do this (Sonic Cineplayer HD-DVD audio decoder is needed too). Alternatively MeGUI or Foobar2000 can also encode DTS to AC3. Output setting of 5.1 channels at 640Kbs is recommended.

    2) Load the re-encoded video along with the AC3 track into tsMuxeR.

    3) Export M2TS stream.

    4) Burn as UDF DVD data disc (automatic settings are fine). Nero burning ROM or ImgBurn are recommended burning applications.


    If you wish to retain the DTS stream, your only option is to export an AVCHD (BD-5/BD-9). Some other benefits of Blu-ray/BD-9/BD-5 over M2TS media files are chapter points, multiple audio streams, switchable subtitle tracks and stream language ID. You can use this method for those previously mentioned features also.

    Here are the steps...

    1) Load the re-encoded video and DTS audio into tsMuxeR.

    2) Export Blu-ray folder structure.

    3) Burn as UDF DVD data disc. You will need to set UDF to v2.50. Nero and ImgBurn are recommended for this.



    Most of the mentioned applications can be found here (this is same one Trippy linked to): http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346

    This thread might be interesting for you too, it has lots of info about tsMuxeR: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/621809


    taylor001, I'm sure most of this information may seem intimidating or daunting but I can assure you that if you have any questions on any of the above procedures, I or any of the other members of AfterDawn will be more than happy to help.

    So if there's anything you're not sure of, ask away... :-D
     
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  6. mtouset

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    Ryu77. Regretably, I'm still lost. I did your recommended step two sucessfully by demuxing using TSMUXER, but then you go on to step 3 and say "3) Remux video only (no audio) into MKV or MP4 container (MeGUI, YAMB or MKVtoolnix are recommended). This step is to increase compatibility with you encoding application (or AVIsynth" I gues I don't understand what you mean by remux or what piece of software I use to remux. I download(MeGUI) and (MKVtoolnix)but I couldn't execute either application so I really don't know what they are for or how they are use. Nonetheless, I'm still stuck at Step, again, because I say to remux and I don't know how to do that or what to use. Where I'm at: I'm trying to backup my orginal BD movie Casino Royale. I have an LG BD Burner/ROM. I I used ANYDVD HD
    to copy it successfully to my HDD. The main stream m2ts is 34 plus GB
    which obviously won't fit on 25GB BD blank media. This is where you came in. I found your step by step thread and was following along nicely until your step 3 and stuck. I sure it has nothing to do with your instruction and everything to do with my lack of knowledge, understanding, and experience. I think I understand that I have to reencode for size reduction and compatibility with standalone playback. Does reencode and remux mean the same thing? If so, I'm still don't know how to do that. Thanks for responding to my questions. I hope I'm on the right thread per your request. Regards, Mike T.
     
  7. Ryu77

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    mtouset, you want to burn it to Blu-ray media... Ok, the steps might be slightly different.

    I would suggest just loading your main movie file into tsMuxeR, then selecting one primary audio stream (Dolby TrueHD?) and maybe another regular Dolby Digital stream. Then select Blu-ray output in tsMuxeR and remux... Is that enough to get it under 25GB or will you still need to re-encode the video?

    If it is, then just burn the new BDMV & CERTIFICATE folders as UDF v2.50 in either Nero or ImgBurn.

    If you need to re-encode the video to get it smaller, then I will need to give you detailed guidance. As I said I am working on a guide but that might be weeks away, so for now I can just guide you as you go.

    Let me know how you go remuxing with tsMuxeR and then we'll continue from there... :)
     
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  8. mtouset

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    Unfortnately it does not appear that I got under 25 GB. What I have:
    the original 34,295KB Mpeg 2 Transport file
    A 33,570KB TS file
    A 25,896KB 264 file
    It appears I have more work to do HUH?
    Oh, and I did not have the opportunity to select a audio file...the option was grayed out.
    Also, please know that I greatly appreciate your patience with this issue. While I'm having fun exploring, newbies must wear you patience very thin. If I can't make my BD soon, I'm certainly willing to wait for you guid. Anyway thanks again for hanging in there with me. Mike T.
     
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    i have a few questions... i've been reading up on this and can't seem to get it right... i have tsmuxer, imgburn, and nero 8.3.2.1... i have a 1920x1080 quicktime movie, hd trailer... i took it into nero and chose to burn blu-ray... i did that to create the BD and certificate folders... i chose no menu, high quality, Dolby Digital AC3 5.1 audio, Mpeg-4 video as far as settings, total files all together are less than a gig... after that i've burn multiple copies (dvd-r 4.7gb), in both nero and imgburn, both in UDF 2.50, and or automatic settings, when i put it in my ps3 it says data disk but i can go to the stream folder and play it, but in a panasonic bdpm30ak it won't play at all even though it is avchd ready... any help is appreciated...
     
  10. mtouset

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    Ryu77 This is my response to your last question. I lost touch for awhile but I do not want to give up on my effort to produce my first BD burn successfully. I think I'm close, but didn't quite get there on my first go-around. Hoping to pickup where we left off, but also considering your time avaibility. Mtouset
    Unfortnately it does not appear that I got under 25 GB. What I have:
    the original 34,295KB Mpeg 2 Transport file
    A - 33,570KB TS file
    A - 25,896KB 264 file
    It appears I have more work to do HUH?
    Oh, and I did not have the opportunity to select a audio file...the option was grayed out.
    Also, please know that I greatly appreciate your patience with this issue. While I'm having fun exploring, newbies must wear your patience very thin. If I can't make my BD soon, I'm certainly willing to wait for you guide. Anyway thanks again for hanging in there with me. Mike or Mtouset
     
  11. Ryu77

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    Of course I would like to help. However, as Blu-ray is considered a new format when compared to DVD, the conversion isn't as simple as it is for DVD recompression. I can give you steps in basic terms but if you want a detailed guide with photo's etc., you will need to wait some time. I am working many hours each week now so I can only dedicate about 2 or 3 hours a week towards this guide.

    The steps you need to follow are...

    1) Demux the desired audio stream you wish to keep with tsMuxeR.

    2) Load the video into MeGUI using AVIsynth as your frameserver. You can use this script...

    DirectShowSource("D:\YourBluRayMovie.m2ts")

    3) Re-encode video with MeGUI (x264 codec). I have created a Blu-ray profile which will optimise quality. It's quite a slow profile but quality is important to me. Here is my Blu-ray profile for MeGUI if you wish to use it: http://www.mediafire.com/?cwfmxomah0r.

    Select RAWAVC as output. Use the bitrate calculator to calculate desired bitrate. You need to allow about 6% for the Blu-ray header. Here is your formula for a BD-25 encode...

    - 25GB (22.6GB usable data) x 94% = 21,200MB (I have rounded it down to be safe).
    - 21,200MB - your audio track size = "??"
    - Enter the figure in the question mark into the MeGUI bitrate calculator and that will determine your video bitrate.

    4) Using tsMuxer, mux new h264 video file with the audio track that you demuxed earlier. Select Blu-ray output. Make sure you change video level to 4.1. Also, if you like you can tag the audio stream as the appropriate language and you can also adjust the chapter times etc.

    5) Burn BDMV and CERTIFICATE folders as UDF v2.5 file system.
     
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    I am trying to do the same thing as mtouset, but I cant seem to figure out the avisynth part. Here is what I have tried. If I go to megui - tools - d2v creator - and load my .ts video file, select demux all audio, and start the process. I get a "no video sequence header found" error & "no data, check your pids", and cant go any further. I was trying to get it to a .d2v file so I can use the avisynth script creater tool in megui.

    I may be on the wrong path completely, but how to I get my demuxed video into avisynth to re-encode the video?
     
  13. taylen228

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    wzup everybody if anybody can help i recorde m2ts 20gig movie to dvd-9 on nero recode but the movie studders do anybody have a clue how i can fix this is it the setting of something anybody have any advice thanks...
     
  14. lithiumus

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    I understand backing up the m2ts video stream alone but how do you preserve the entire BluRay structure?

    I've got Dragon's Lair which I believe is the first BluRay to fully utilize the BD-J features but since it's basically an animated video game, there are over 200 m2ts files.

    I shrunk the 2 larger m2ts files and also matched the CLIPINFO and PLAYLIST files but when I burn it to a DVD9 it does not play on a BluRay player. The PS3 sees it as a Data disc... I can navigate the menus and play the m2ts streams raw but that's useless... any ideas?
     
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    You'd probably need to remap everything with the new shrunked m2ts files using Sonic Scenarist... good luck with that.
     
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    Hi guys,

    I managed to successfuly convert my blu-ray video to a M2TS file, I can even play with nero showtime. How do I burn it to a DVD?

    I tried UDF 2.5 but the disc wont be recognized...

     
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    Are you trying to burn the m2ts file as a data DVD, or do you want the Blu-ray structure?
     
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    Can you burn an M2TS file as a Blu-ray structure?
     
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    I want to convert my blu-ray wedding video to DVD since most people still don't have Blu-Ray players. So no, I don't wan't to keep the blu-ray structure, I want to make a DVD from it.

    With much trial and error this is the best way I've found:

    1- Rip Blu-Ray with AnyDVD HD.
    2- Demux M2TS with tsMuxer. That gives me a .mpv video file and .ac3 audio track.
    3- Rename .mpv extension to .mpeg and recode the video only to MP4 with Nero Recode. I found out that if you don't do this then the audio track won't be recognized on step 5.
    4- Merge both MP4 video and AC3 track into MKV using MKVtoolnix.
    5- Convert MKV to DVD9 using AVI2DVD. See guide here.

    I believe this will work but I haven't finished the process successfully yet because encoding takes forever and I had to restart too many times :(

    I am in the process of recoding the entire video again with Nero Recode, this time I will keep the quality as high as possible since AVI2DVD will do the compression to DVD9 for me. I will report back on my progress. Comments are welcome.
     
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