Another question, maybe a silly one: is there a software that will decrypt, shrink and burn all at once?
Thanks. I'll take a look. Can someone check this site and see if the directions are correct. This is what i have been following to make my DVDs: http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=45238 Maybe if i change a setting or check a box it will help make the DVDs more readable?
Why dont you try burning the other discs at 4x to see how it does. As I said before 1x sometimes results in odd results. I recommend you to to try that, also dont forget to do you crc scan, that will give us a better idea of what is causing the troubles.
I tried backing up the movie Elf. I burned it at a speed of 4x on a Samsung Pleomax thermal printable DVD -R 8X 120 min , 4.7 GB disk. When i play it on my Onkyo DVD player, it is choppy. I will ask someone to test it on their DVD player this weekend. I have Nero Express 6. I opened Nero Smart Start and clicked Extras, then ran a Test Drive of the DVD. Is that a CRC scan? I have a graph but I can't figure out how to post the graph here. I looked at http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/, but couldn't find instructions. How can I post my CRC scan here? Thanks
I tried doing a screen shot of the graph and then right clicking in this section and looking for Paste, but Paste wasn't available. And I don't see any kind of attachment button... How can I paste the graph here? Thanks,
Hi to upload a picture you first have to uploaded to a server, I recommend you Imageshack. Upload the picture then paste the link that imageshack provide you and using the img tags you can make the picture to be seen here.
CRC check in Nero is scandisc. It checks each block for errors. Works the same way as Scandisc (error checking in XP) in Window's System Tools. There is also CDcheck which is freeware: http://www.kvipu.com/CDCheck/news.php Rutica, I have region 1 Elf. Disc one is 7.78 gb. Try doing "movie only" and burn @4X. Also this disc will ask you to install Interactual Player, DON'T. If you did, uninstall.
I hope i did this right. Here is my Scandisk of Elf: Here is my Benchmark of Elf that I did yesterday: Here is my Benchmark of Elf that I did a few minutes ago: It didn't ask me to download Interactual player when burning Elf. I had to use DVD Decrypter, DVD Shrink and DVD Decrypter again to burn. Is that how you do it? Is there one program that decrypts, shrinks and burns with just one click?
Rutica, Your crc scan is fine, but that doesn't alway mean it will play properly in your Onkyo. Yes, the higher end players are more pickier. Optodisc is a very obscure. You might do yourself a favor and take the advice of seeking better media. Look for Made in Japan on the label or try Verbatim. Harry Potter GOF disc is 7.20 gb. The movie is 2hr 36 min., it is also my feeling that your Onkyo does not like compressed media. As for InterActual Player, as soon as you insert the disc, a screen will pop up asking you to install. Is it possible that you have installed it at an earlier date? This has been known to act as spyware and will have an impact on the outcome of your backups. Yes, there are 1 click programs (they actually required more than 1 click) but they are NOT free. I personally use AnyDvd/CloneDvd 2 from Slysoft. You would be able to split the disc (keep the menus if you want) and see if compression is the problem. These programs work like shrink/DVDD. They do have a 21 day trial. Good Luck
Hi, I dont see any CRC scan in there? why dont you try doing the disc quality option in nero and posting it, we need the CRC scan(disc quality) to give better advice about your options. I dont think compressed media will compromise the playback on your onkyo player. For now please post back with the disc quality picture, to give a better advice. GL
paztelu, Is not the first image a CRC scan, red or yellow would indicate damaged and bad sectors? Quality scans only indicate PI errors and PI/PO failures? It was my understanding that CRC scans are more accurate than the quality scans. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/415515 Also, high compression can result in horrible quality, that is why many members choose to split or use DVDRebuilder.
Thanks for your advice Mackdl. I don't know why on the scan it says my DVD is Optodisc, since on the DVD package it says Samsung Pleomax. Oh well. I just checked my Add/Remove Programs and didn't see Interactual Player. When I put Elf in my computer, it didn't ask me to install anything. So i don't think i have it. I run Ad-aware so it should remove any spyware it finds. Do you think AnyDVD is better than DVD Decrypter and DVD Shrink? Paztelu, here is my scan: You guys are so nice to help me! I appreciate your time.
Rutica, Your quality scan is 0%, not good. Using recommended media WILL make all the difference. I'm really surprised that there are no damaged or bad sectors. When I first started burning I did CRC checks with DVDInfoPro (was free but now 90 day trial). If I had pixelation it always showed up in the scan as corrupted sectors. I found media (MIJ Maxells/Sonys) that was compatible with my burners and my dvd players, I don't stray no matter how tempting the price of other media. My sons use Verbatims with great success. AnyDvd will do many of the newer encryptions that DvdDecrypter will not. Also recommended is Ripit4me which is freeware but does involve a learning curve. Everyone has their own preference. I like simple and Anydvd/CloneDvd 2 fits me. Here's a very informative thread in regards to media/compression/playback. Saugmon's last post sums it up: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/442354
Hi, @Mackdl I was confused about CRC scan and PI/PO scan, in which this case you were right, still I find the PI/PO scan way more helpfull and accurate, as you can compare in the crc scan we are limited to Good,Bad and Damaged, instead the PI/PO scan give us accurate numbers about the quality of the disc which in this case are much much usefull than the green dots in a CRC scan. Not better example as this where, even though the Scan Disc gave all green dots the PI/PO scan gave us the reason why the disc was not playing(lots of errors). About compression, yes it can result in horrible quality, but not in problems in the playback itself (like skipping for example). @Rutica: WOW!!! that PI/PO scan (the one you just posted) is horrible, that picture sums it all up. If PI/PO values are way to high (like you disc) the disc is either unplayable or results with some areas unreadable, or like in your case skipping and unplayability in your dvd player. Its time to change media, but although before doing so, check if you blank dics are scratched, this could result in burning errors. My recommendation: Change media, it is clear from your PI/PO scan your burns are resulting in tremendous amount of errors, and that OPTODISC media is not famous for being good. You should start thinking in SONY, MAXELL, and preferably Verbatim. Why OPTODISC? Samsung does not manufacture disc, instead Optodisc does for them, and they place their media code (their "name") on the disc, so the burners and people can recognize who is the true manufacturer of the media. It will be really helpfull to check for scratches on your disc before burning them, scratches could result in burning errors. If you want to learn more about PI/PO scans and all those terms, I recommend this thread: PI/PO Scan thread Hoped it helped
paztelu, Thanks for a clearer explanation on the two different scans. One has to note that not all drives are capable of quality scans, fortunately for rutica Liteons will. I was told years ago that when doing the crc scan, one should do it in a different drive than the one you burnt with. This would give more accuracy. Does this also hold true for quality scans? My Liteon is a 4x, so I'm of very little help as the LiteOn tools have become more complex. Besides using poor media, perhaps some settings in Smartburn could also help?
Hi, @MackDl As you said not all drive are capable of doing such scans,(quality scans, or lets refer to them as their true name: PI/PO scans). Most Burners are able too, and as you mentioned some liteon drives to. Accuracy of PI/PO scans is independent from the drive(although there can be minor discrepancies form drive to drive but not much), so doing the scan in the drive you burned the disc is perfectly fine and will give you similar accuracy as if you did with another one. What can affect the accuracy of the PI/PO scan is the speed the scan is done at, which is inversely proportional to the accuracy of the scan (the more the speed the less the accuracy and vice versa) To really reduce the amount of errors the most important factor you must take in account is media, you should get the best quality available and make sure no scratches are present on the data side of the disc before burning (scratches before burning can result in burn errors). Also speed is another important factor, most people recommend to burn at half of what disc are rated, but I think you should burn at a considerable less speed when using low quality or medium quality media, which tend to give lots of error when burned at high speeds, with good media you wont have much errors even when burning at high speeds. You cannot help much the quality of your discs from your drive settings, but what is crucial is having buffer underun protection activated. And remember if your computer is "slow" dont multitask alot while burning. Hoped it helped.
The quality scan gives you your answer. Your Onkyo does NOT like bad quality media that was recorded with so many errors especially at the end where it's red. Bite the bullet. Buy a small quantity of GOOD media and use them. Or if funds are low, try to bum a couple of good media from a friend. After you see the difference you'll toss the crap you're using. You might want to set Shrink to burn to 4350 MB so the edge of the disc is not used. Good media and bad media cost the same. Just watch the sales! And pounce when the price is right.
Thank you for all your help!. There is a lot of good information here. I will definately buy some Verbatim and try again. Is there a difference between +R and -R?
I use nothing but +R discs because they can be booktyped to DVD-ROM and be more universally accepted in DVD players. You burner must be capable of doing this tho. -R are cheaper, on line (both are same price in stores); and generally better recognized than unbooktyped +Rs.
