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Discussion in 'Audio' started by ps2hunter, Jun 10, 2005.

  1. thelox714

    thelox714 Regular member

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  2. djscoop

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    then enjoy using a over-priced, under-powered machine with virtually no software for it. me I stick with real computers myself :)
     
  3. papabois

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    EAC and LAME. Noted.

    nuff respect.
     
  4. rain2

    rain2 Guest

    If you want to listen your music with better quality than ugly sounding mp3, use an AAC compatible device:
    Computers, mobile phones with memory cards, PocketPC, PDA, all iPod variants, and few other "mp3"players.

    See the pictures in this thread, to see what mp3, mp2, mpc is doing to your music:
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/198521

    I wish there were more hardware AAC players available yet.
     
  5. weazel200

    weazel200 Regular member

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    MP3 is so convienent and is the main format at the moment. For most of us our ears can hardly tell the difference between the original audio cd and an mp3.
     
  6. djscoop

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    AAC is not really that impressive. It can obtain higher quality at lower bitrates, but its still lossy. and it has all that DRM-copyprotection crap in it. If you want to experiement with other codecs, try FLAC, OGG, or MPC
     
  7. diabolos

    diabolos Guest

    Are you saying you don't want to support AAC because its capable of incorporating DRM protection? The unprotected raw AAC files don't have any DRM protection. MP4 files do however. Only when the raw AAC file is taged with an m4[bold]p[/bold] tag, is it protected. The m4[bold]a[/bold] movement (the one I preffer over Mp3) has nothing to do with DRM and can be played on any machine capable of playing AAC files. They can be created and shared just like Mp3's are now.

    Unlike rain2, I would rather see MPC get some TLC from a major manufacure than AAC. I like MPC because it is fully tranparent (at least it tries to be).

    @ scoop,
    You made a statment in another thread asking if MP3 predates MPC (while I was away). Technically MPC is older than MP3 since its based on the original MP2 work done by the MPEG (as MPEG-1 Audio Layer 2).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#History

    @ rain,
    Check out the audio format work done by these guys:
    http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=18397

    @ All AD Members,
    Lean about MPC!
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPC_(audio_compression_format)

    :),
    Ced
     
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  8. rain2

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    Well, I checked (their thread is 1.5 years old...):
    As I said in the mpc thread, losless is beyond any discussion.
    Therefore I use APE, ~1000 CDs fit on a 300GB drive, that's enough.
    No pre-echo, no noisy spektral pollution. Just the unaltered original.
    Due to the bad SNR (less than 20 dB above 3kHz) of MPC (see MPC thread: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/198521), the smaller pre-echo alone of MPC is no reason to tell that it's transparent, the pre-echo is only shorter (it is still block processed).
    Some few HW players accept flac or wma-lossless now, and iPods play AppleLossless, so the times are not so bad these days.
    And coverting between lossless formats is - lossless! :)
     
  9. diabolos

    diabolos Guest

    "If I can see where you come from, It will give me a better idea of where your going"

    Ced
     
  10. inamm

    inamm Guest

    Honestly I have to say that weazel200 has spoken my words! That is so true...I listen to mp3's all the time and i have to say that i think the mp3 sounds even better then the original!

    REMOVED LINK
     
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  11. Dela

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    @inamm, URL has nothing to do with the thread, therefore we'll see it as advertising (since its not in a sign or anything), advertising without permission is against the rules.
     
  12. djscoop

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    LOL well I wouldn't go THAT far, but it is definately true that when properly encoding the mp3 files (EAC/LAME@256 VBR) you will produce suprisingly good quality files as far as mp3s go.

    This is one of those threads that can go on and on and debate about one format to the next, but in reality no one is going to agree because everybody has their favorite format. someone earlier mentioned wma (YUCK), Ced likes MPC, and for me, mp3s just for playing on the computer are still decent enough quality for me. When I want to crank music loud and listen to good quality stuff I either go put put on some vinyl or pop in a SACD...
     
  13. diabolos

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    Mp3s (and other lossy format) do sound good but will never match the warmth of the original, somthing you can enjoy while listening to the music and just the music, nothing else. You also got to have the right hardware (receiver, speakers, cables, ect...).

    <off-topic>
    Which sounds better Vinyl Records, or SACD and/or DVD-Audio?

    I don't really have the right equipment to fully appreciate SACD or DVD-Audio, but I must say that Vinyl Records sound wonderfull. The reason i'm asking is because I am very intrested in high fedelity audio and would like the opinion of people of AD. My main question is, even if SACD sound better than Vinyl records, (which sound better than CD's and thus Mp3 and other formats aswell) will that be enough of a reason for everyday consumers to support the formats when they can get all of there music off the internet (legally and/or illegaly)?
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    Ced?
     
  14. djscoop

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    I am a huge fan of vinyl and other analog formats. as great as high quality digital formats are, nothing compares to a warm analog sound of vinyl or a nice reel-to-reel machine. I mainly collect classical, jazz, and classic rock LPs, but I also have some newer ones (my prized possesion is Green Day's entire collection all on vinyl...don't ask how long it took to find or how much it costs.) The cool thing is that people still play vinyl, and new vinyl is currently being printed. But if you ever get a chance to listen to a good vinyl record paired to a tube-amplifier, its like heaven to your ears.

    I also really like SACD just because in my opinion its the closest digital recordings come to sounding like analog. When SACD came out a few years ago, Sony was so concerned about it being ripped or copied because the quality is so close to that of actual studio quality sound that the first gen SACD players, like the one I have (which cost over $3000) only has analog outputs. But now I believe the new ones have digital outputs as well because Sony has developed some type of copy protection. That and there's currently no way to copy SACDs on computer either. But SACD is great because you can find all kinds of music which has been remastered in surround sound, which is a definite plus over vinyl.

    Speaking of which, I just saw an ad in a magazine the other day (popular science I think) for a record player that uses lasers to read the grooves off of the vinyl! It looks like a laser-disc machine and you plop the LP in it and the lasers don't touch the record, thus preserving it. I thought it was so cool, I'd never thought of it. But at $2000 I think I'll stick with good ol' needle players for now.
     
  15. weazel200

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    So to fully enjoy the best sounding music you have also got to spend alot on decent sounding equipment.
     
  16. djscoop

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    well you don't have to, but it definately helps. its kinda like putting 110 octane racing gas into a ford pinto...whats the point? you can have great quality media, but you need a good complete system to continue the good quality, from media to preamp, to amp, to speakers.

    so no, you don't have to spend thousands of dollars on a high end system, but you do need at least something mid-end to enjoy good quality audio. For audio receivers my favorite is Onkyo
     
  17. weazel200

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    If I had that kinda equipment my neighbours would start a petition to get me kicked out. Have ue ever done a mix compilation yourself scoop.
     
  18. djscoop

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    well sort of. In my DJing days I wasn't like a actual mixing DJ or anyting. I DJ'd countless weddings for several years, but I never got into spinning turntables or anything.

    I do make my own mixes for myself to listen to, but I do them in pro tools, so not really DJing. I've always wanted to learn to scratch and mix but never had the time or patience. geestar is a really good DJ though...
     
  19. weazel200

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    What music do you mix in pro tools. any dance or mainly rock
     
  20. djscoop

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    well I mainly use Pro Tools to record ADR (voice dialog) and foley sound effects which I use for teaching and for students to use for projects. But whenever I make mixes in Pro Tools its just usually whatever is new out and I throw in some old stuff I haven't heard in a while. I give them stupid names like "Beats for the Geeks on the Streets" or something lame like that....but usually its rock, as that is my fav genre. Also electronic, and classic rock
     

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