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Highest Capacity possible w/HD DVD?

Discussion in 'HD DVD discussion' started by ivymike, Nov 30, 2006.

  1. ivymike

    ivymike Regular member

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    What's the highest capacity that will be available with HD DVD?
    I know that Toshiba is developing a 200 GB disc for Blu Ray. I'm hoping that the same is true for HD DVD because there is not going to be a BD-RAM, just a BD-RE which is similar to the crappy DVD-RW types. There *is* going to be a HD DVD-RAM however.
     
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  3. Balaam

    Balaam Regular member

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    BD will never have more then a dual layer movie disc. They can barely produce that. But of course, BD was designed from the beginning to be a computer storage device, while HD-DVD was designed from the beginning to be a movie format, so it's kind of absurd to say that the potential capacity of BD is some advantage it has for storage purposes. That's what it was designed for!

    But as for the top capacity for HD-DVD movie disks, the DVD forum researched the possibility of triple layer disks earlier this year, Toshiba developed them, and they will most likely be written into the specs for adoption next summer. So the answer to your question is that in the future there will be 45 gig triple layer movie disks:
    http://www.physorg.com/news4052.html
     
  4. dblbogey7

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    I disagree. BD was designed for both High Definition Video distribution AND mass data storage. From the BluRay Disc Association website:

    http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-13576/Section-13579/Index.html

    http://www.blu-raydisc.com/general_information/Section-13576/Section-13578/Index.html

    If BD was primarily a computer storage device then what about the increasing number of standalone BluRay players (Samsung, Panasonic, Sony, Philips) not to mention the Playstation3? Add to that the overwhelming majority of movie studios backing BluRay. I think your statement claiming that BD is primarily designed for computer storage is as you say, absurd.




     
  5. Balaam

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    Well, that's just because you don't know what you're talking about. And the fact that you, with a straight face, would throw out there the simplistic BD talking points shows that you're obviously a fanboy. I'm not going to bother educating a fanboy, but I will say that BD has been out in Japan as a computer format for over 4 years, before the DVD Forum met to design an HD optical disk format. When those meetings began to take place, Sony proposed to adapt it's BD computer format into a pressed disk movie format, but they were rejected because it was much more expensive and much less reliable to use BD tech as a pressed disk then it was to use the tech they went with, HD-DVD. That's why there are two competing formats. Because Sony was unsuccessful in adapting it's computer technology to be used as a movie format to the extent that it could beat out the HD movie format Toshiba and others designed from the ground up.

    Don't be too embarrassed. People put their foot in their mouth all the time. Though the fact that you linked to pages on the BDA's marketing website to prove your point is kind of hilarious.
     
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  6. dblbogey7

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    Me a BluRay fanboy?

    You obviously haven't read my earlier posts in this section. I posted on May 22 of this year about my experiences with the just-released Toshiba HD-A1 which probably makes me one of the earliest owners of this player in these forums:

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/345210

    I've been a staunch defender of HD-DVD since then and have contributed a lot of posts on the subject:

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/356526
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/358647
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/367856
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2/335718
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/362376
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/364362
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/372662
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/378822
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/383703
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/382465
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/375983
    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/362376
    and so on...

    I was also probably one of the first owners of a Samsung BluRay player here in these forums and here's my report on what I did:

    http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/357160

    To call me a BluRay fanboy is simply ludicrous.

    I'll agree with you with this point but you'll have to admit that BluRay has come a long way since then.

     
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  7. error5

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    dblbogey7 and diabolos have been the one - two punch of the HD-DVD camp in these forums from day 1.

    dblbogey7 a Sony/BluRay fanboy? I don't think so.
     
  8. Balaam

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    Fair enough dblbogey7. I don't visit this forum enough to know your posting history. It's just that this part you wrote:

    While not exactly false, is what you hear when you go to BB and listen to the BBB (Best Buy Bastards for those not familiar with the term ;)) regurgitate the talking points they're fed by the Sony reps that educated them when the format launched. BD has that support, though in reality it's not much more then a paper tiger, because after their plan was rejected by the DVD Forum, they marketed their butt off to keep their format from being still born as a movie disk.

    My point was not to make a disparaging remake about BD. I was simply stating the fact that BD was originally designed for the computer world, so it was designed with high capacity in mind. While HD-DVD was designed to be a movie disk, and so has enough capacity to get the job done with its current 30 capacity no problem.
     
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  9. dblbogey7

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    Be careful of what you say - diabolos (Ced) works at Best Buy and he's a bigger fan of HD-DVD than me.
     
  10. Balaam

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    heh. I'll say what I want. If someone doesn't understand generalities it's not my responsibility to censor myself just because they're the exception to the rule.
     
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    @dblbogey7: I can't believe someone accused you of being a BluRay fanboy. LOL! It's like accusing Pres. Bush of supporting a nuclear Iran!
     
  12. Balaam

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    It's like a bizarro world here! Nobody reads the posts they respond to! :-O
     
  13. dblbogey7

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    True you have that right but the point is there's no need to resort to name-calling and personal insults just because someone disagrees with you.

    BTW, I've just finished an A-B comparison b/w the HD-DVD version of Superman Returns (HD-30/DVD9 Combo/VC-1) and the BluRay version (BD-50/VC-1). I have a monoprice HDMI switcher running Silver Serpents to a Sony Pearl Projector (110" Carada Screen) from a Toshiba HD-A1 and a Panasonic DMP-BD10. Picture quality wise there is practically no difference between the two. My only complaint with the BluRay release is the lack of a Dolby TruHD soundtrack. Overall, not bad for a computer storage format.
     
  14. Balaam

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    Dude, grow up. BBB is a well know, oft thrown around, half humorous label that anybody with half a sense of humor would read and move on without being offended like a fragile little girl. How embarrassing to be offended by something as harmless as this. You must tumble into a psychotic break each time you see the shit that is depicted in the evening news.

    And dblbogey7, just because I educated you on the actual beginnings of the BD format doesn't mean you have to continue with the shtick that, by reporting that reality, I somehow disparaged the potential for BD as a movie format.

    Are you that much of a child?
     
  15. dblbogey7

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    @Balaam:

    Well what can I say but thank you for sharing with us your encyclopedic knowledge about BluRay and HD-DVD. I stand corrected on the important point about the beginnings of the BluRay format. We appreciate your contributions to these forums and look forward to your next enlightening post.
     
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